The Great Ivy League Snob-Off, Part I:
Ann Coulter Hates Cornell, Cornellian Hates Poor People

Yesterday Ann Coulter directed her incendiary commentary towards Cornell, the “plastic Ivy.” By basically trashing their College of Agriculture and Life Sciences for NOT being an Ivy League school, Coulter compares Keith Olbermann’s referring to his “Ivy League education” to many forms of deceit. The best of it:

Olbermann’s incessant lying about having an “Ivy League education” when he went to the non-Ivy League ag school at Cornell would be like a graduate of the Yale locksmithing school boasting about being a “Yale man.”

As Coulter further muddles her own understanding of the Ivy League—originally and still just a sports conference—she raps about how alums of the “Ivy League Cornell” go on to become Supreme Court justices and stuff while the Ag School grads are basically all hicks and hockey players. So does this mean that Cornell is full of imposters playing Ivy League sports but who will eventually fail in becoming the next Paul Wolfowitz?

Not if the author of the Daily Sun‘s Shameless Commerce has anything to do with it. Read all about it after the jump.

The Sun keeps up the classic Ivy League illusion of all the fine things in the right places. In the same way that Coulter builds an argument—to use a generous word—about the “plastic Ivy,” Shameless Commerce’s Leigha Kemmett writes weekly product reviews that ask the question, “Does a higher price tag really mean a better product?” Now given the tough economy and all this might be a relatively useful little snippet, especially for Ann Coulter’s going-nowhere sect of Cornellians.

Let’s remember that word: plastic. Sure, the honest comparison between some everyday goods like notebooks holds up for college kids. But comparing a $25 steak to a $66 one isn’t really helping students out is it? How about those $860 stilettos? (They look slutty, btw.) Oh, cheers for the review on $45 macaroni and cheese that went along with those shoes. The credit crisis is for poor people after all.

While IvyGate is here to stroke the snobbery tradition for all it’s worth, there’s a certain amount of elitist masturbation that even we don’t want to watch. Here’s to you Ag School students and alums. May you continue to play hockey like gods and figure out ways better ways to feed the poor—and the rich. And do overcharge the latter for the “highest grade” beef and cheese.

92 Responses to “The Great Ivy League Snob-Off, Part I:
Ann Coulter Hates Cornell, Cornellian Hates Poor People

  1. James Says:

    Dude,

    If everyone read the comments that Keith and Ann made, you will see that Keith was the first one who started it. He made fun of one person’s college degree; Ann went in and poked fun at Keith (who is the biggest snob) on it.

    At the end of the day, who cares?

  2. James Says:

    Dude,

    If everyone read the comments that Keith and Ann made, you will see that Keith was the first one who started it. He made fun of one person’s college degree; Ann went in and poked fun at Keith (who is the biggest snob) on it.

    At the end of the day, who cares?

  3. anon Says:

    What about Engineering, ILR, Hotel, HumEc and Architecture?
    ________________________________________________________________
    1) AAP doesn’t offer ANY BA degrees, Arch students get a BArch (transfers get a BS), planners get a BS and fine art students get a BFA. 2) Engineering also doesn’t offer BA degrees, they hand out BS degrees. 3) HumEc and ILR are in the same bag as the ag school (CALS) – NY state schools housed under the CU university. 4) the Hotel school also (big surprise) doesn’t offer BAs, they only offer BS degrees. Arts and Sciences is the only college in Cornell that offers BA degrees.

    If you wanted to get two degrees (BA & BFA or BA & BS, or a BFA & BS), you’d have to be a student of the (accepted)endowed colleges A&S, AAP & Engr through the dual degree program since these colleges are the only schools that are considered to have quality standards and their (capable, overachieving) students can properly handle the additional workload without affecting their GPA.

    If the educational standards were really the same – cross-campus, then these 3 stellar colleges would trust the students of the other schools… but we all know it isn’t due to the various factors that give them funding and support.

  4. Benjamin Franklin Says:

    No wonder you posted as anon- a pile of facts culled from the fact you think a BA is a superior degree–well my find friend many Liberal arts colleges agree but no qaulity control. MY oldest dauther was just accepted to CALS-she chooses to major in environmental studies or environmental engineering (and oh, then I guess since she put EE on her appliation they must have felt she was UP to the metrics of engineerring college which gives a BS ands is agreed to be the most rigorous of all colleges in Cornell and also the only ivy engineering school with a top 10 ranking, along with AAP (transfers get a BS? Not if they choose to transfer internally and just go for B/Arch-nobody would be stupid enough to go to number 1 arch school and not come out with a B/Arch-now maybe they offer them to stay for M/Arch but otherwise stupid point). Your points all seem to come from the corn that Anne Coulter spews from her mouth or other various orifiices. SHE THINKS WOMEN SHOULD NOT VOTE==she is a Cornell Sociopath who just wants attention–what is your excuse-bet you did not even got here–why if you did-post you name-
    Floyd R. Turbo graduate of CALS 1949.

  5. anon Says:

    What about Engineering, ILR, Hotel, HumEc and Architecture?
    ________________________________________________________________
    1) AAP doesn’t offer ANY BA degrees, Arch students get a BArch (transfers get a BS), planners get a BS and fine art students get a BFA. 2) Engineering also doesn’t offer BA degrees, they hand out BS degrees. 3) HumEc and ILR are in the same bag as the ag school (CALS) – NY state schools housed under the CU university. 4) the Hotel school also (big surprise) doesn’t offer BAs, they only offer BS degrees. Arts and Sciences is the only college in Cornell that offers BA degrees.

    If you wanted to get two degrees (BA & BFA or BA & BS, or a BFA & BS), you’d have to be a student of the (accepted)endowed colleges A&S, AAP & Engr through the dual degree program since these colleges are the only schools that are considered to have quality standards and their (capable, overachieving) students can properly handle the additional workload without affecting their GPA.

    If the educational standards were really the same – cross-campus, then these 3 stellar colleges would trust the students of the other schools… but we all know it isn’t due to the various factors that give them funding and support.

  6. Kevin Says:

    Actually, I went to Cornell from 1980 to 1984. I think Coulter and Obermann were there around that time. At that time, there was no real undergraduate business major. If you wanted business courses you took them in the Ag and the Hotel School. This whole discussion is a bunch of nonsense….

  7. Kevin Says:

    Actually, I went to Cornell from 1980 to 1984. I think Coulter and Obermann were there around that time. At that time, there was no real undergraduate business major. If you wanted business courses you took them in the Ag and the Hotel School. This whole discussion is a bunch of nonsense….

  8. Robert Says:

    I think the point here was missed completely. Olbermann uses his Ivy League status as something he received while not applying himself and finished by the age of 20… iow, a really smart guy. All Ann was saying was, “play your trump card” and we will see if it has value. Clearly Ann considers her Ivy League status much more important than simply a waste of her time. Once again Olbermann claims he is the really smart guy since he didn’t pay as much for his framed paper than Coulter. Me thinks Coulter was there on a scholarship anyway.

  9. Robert Says:

    I think the point here was missed completely. Olbermann uses his Ivy League status as something he received while not applying himself and finished by the age of 20… iow, a really smart guy. All Ann was saying was, “play your trump card” and we will see if it has value. Clearly Ann considers her Ivy League status much more important than simply a waste of her time. Once again Olbermann claims he is the really smart guy since he didn’t pay as much for his framed paper than Coulter. Me thinks Coulter was there on a scholarship anyway.

  10. Anon Says:

    Since when did “agriculture” and “public” become dirty words? They certainly have a nicer ring to them than “ivy.” Anne Coulter’s a fascist and Olbermann’s a blowhard, but CALS does great work for the people of New York and of the world.

  11. Anon Says:

    Since when did “agriculture” and “public” become dirty words? They certainly have a nicer ring to them than “ivy.” Anne Coulter’s a fascist and Olbermann’s a blowhard, but CALS does great work for the people of New York and of the world.

  12. anon Says:

    new york state overall, is a very sorry state.

  13. anon Says:

    new york state overall, is a very sorry state.

  14. anon Says:

    I find all of this very amusing. I graduated from Cornell Ag back in the stone age ’69. My brother graduated in ’70 with an BA in English from A&S at several fold the cost. I went on to get a MA and a Ph.D. from “state schools”. I have also spent several years as a postdoc at Harvard in the late 70s. I have been a biology professor for 28 years, have been funded by the NSF and NIH for years, and served many years on national panels reviewing grants from the elite private and state universities. I have lots of colleagues in Ivy League schools. In other words, I have lots of experience in the academic and scientific circles so I am aware of the myths. Here are the facts. Biology-based courses, departments and graduate programs at Cornell are made up of faculty from both schools. When an undergraduate student takes a course in biochemistry (or French), the course is populated by students from both schools and grades are competitive. An A&S undergraduate is very likely going to take a biology course in the Ag with an Ag faculty. Graduate schools reviewing applications from recent Cornell graduates know this and make no distinction. Cornell’s huge international reputation in biology stems not from the A&S, but from the CALs. In the biological sciences there are more members of the National Academy of Science (the currency by which universities like to rank themselves) in the Ag school than in A&S. Overall, in the biological sciences, departments and programs at Cornell consistently rank higher than similar programs at Dartmouth, Brown, Penn, and Columbia, not to mention Yale. I would give the edge to Harvard and Princeton. In fact, programs at many state schools rank higher than at those schools (e.g. Michigan, U California, U of Washington, Texas, etc.). Snobbery aside those are the facts.

  15. anon Says:

    I find all of this very amusing. I graduated from Cornell Ag back in the stone age ’69. My brother graduated in ’70 with an BA in English from A&S at several fold the cost. I went on to get a MA and a Ph.D. from “state schools”. I have also spent several years as a postdoc at Harvard in the late 70s. I have been a biology professor for 28 years, have been funded by the NSF and NIH for years, and served many years on national panels reviewing grants from the elite private and state universities. I have lots of colleagues in Ivy League schools. In other words, I have lots of experience in the academic and scientific circles so I am aware of the myths. Here are the facts. Biology-based courses, departments and graduate programs at Cornell are made up of faculty from both schools. When an undergraduate student takes a course in biochemistry (or French), the course is populated by students from both schools and grades are competitive. An A&S undergraduate is very likely going to take a biology course in the Ag with an Ag faculty. Graduate schools reviewing applications from recent Cornell graduates know this and make no distinction. Cornell’s huge international reputation in biology stems not from the A&S, but from the CALs. In the biological sciences there are more members of the National Academy of Science (the currency by which universities like to rank themselves) in the Ag school than in A&S. Overall, in the biological sciences, departments and programs at Cornell consistently rank higher than similar programs at Dartmouth, Brown, Penn, and Columbia, not to mention Yale. I would give the edge to Harvard and Princeton. In fact, programs at many state schools rank higher than at those schools (e.g. Michigan, U California, U of Washington, Texas, etc.). Snobbery aside those are the facts.

  16. Anonymous Says:

    i wish i could have gone to Harvard so I could waltz through with straight As and have everyone tell how amazing I am!

    Instead I was put through the real grindstone of Cornell where only the true geniuses do well, fuck Harvard.

  17. non ivy league graduate Says:

    I googled Cornell graduates and U.S. Presidents and came up with No Matches found. I googled Harvard and U.S. Presidents and found 9 (the most…. ). I then googled Cornell alumni CEO’s of Fortune 500 companies and Harvard CEO’s. It appears that Harvard has more CEO’s of Fortune 500 companies than all OTHER IVY LEAGUES combined. btw, when they say IVY they mean Harvard, Yale, Princeton. Not Fake Ivy’s like Cornell. If you don’t believe me you might want to google or bing it yourself. But then, oh wait, you go to Cornell? You probably couldn’t do that by yourself without help from your mommy or daddy!

  18. troll Says:

    Didn’t think Harvard grads were dumb enough to respond to a 1 year old post. Yup. I’m sure he’s been refreshing this page every day for a year, waiting for your response.

  19. non ivy league graduate Says:

    See how dumb you are? I said, I’m not an ivy league graduate. Second, you still didn’t respond to facts like how Cornell has NO ONE worthy to talk about except Anne Coulter and she even says your school is pure plastic. Oh, I forgot, you still can’t use simple things like google because you went to Cornell. And you are still checking every single day? You went to Cornell and probably unemployed or didn’t graduate? BTW, it’s not the school that makes you who you are. It’s what you make of yourself with the education you do get. Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Steve Jobs are great examples of that. I only responded to your post while checking schools for my daughter I came across your childish and immature post. I did not graduate from any ivy league school and I don’t regret it at all. However, I I were going to go all the way to the east coast, I would only go to the big three. Cornell is way out in the middle of nowhere, full of stuck up people who think they are smarter than god, and all rejects from the big three. Not one was accepted at any other school not even to University of Michigan (which, in my opinion, is far superior to Cornell). Anyway, good luck to you! Sounds like you will need it with your attitude and intellect.

  20. Harvard'14 Says:

    You’ve just proven your ignorance. I would love to see you or your daughter get accepted into any Ivy League college.

    I have friends who chose to go to Cornell’s engineering over Harvard College. I also have another friend who chose to go to Cornell’s College of Industrial Labor Relations over the College at Penn and Brown because the programs at ILR are much more specified to what she wants to do in the future. Finally, Michigan is not known outside of the US. And, I have known nary a person who would choose Michigan over Berkeley, the #1 public university in the Nation.

    Get on our level first.

    -Harvard ’14

  21. RedWhite&Blue Says:

    I chose UMICH over Berkeley long long ago for graduate school. Berkeley was my first choice…until I visited the place. I realize you are arguing AGAINST snobbery, but you are not going far enough. If Berkeley is considered the #1 public university, then UMICH is considered #2, though, of course, it depends on whom you ask. (Some people think that William and Mary blow both of the above out of the water.)

    You are further mistaken in your claim that UMICH is not recognized outside the USA. If personal anecdotal evidence counts, I will point out that I get far more comments when I wear UMICH paraphernalia in Europe than I do when I wear Cornell paraphernalia. If this does not suffice, I will also point out that UMICH gets an incredibly large amount of applications from foreign students for both their undergraduate and graduate programs, some of which draw more applicants from China than from the USA.

    And, of course, it goes without saying that fame and excellence of a university are two distinct measures and don’t necessarily have anything to do with each other. Still, I find it fascinating that when people ask me (I live in the midwest) where I went to school and I say “bachelor’s at Cornell, master’s and Ph.D. at Michigan), they say “Michigan, wow!”

    –Cornell/Michigan Alumnus “Yes, I’m Red, White, and Blue!”

  22. troll Says:

    1. You obviously don’t know what a troll is.
    2. When did I ever say I went to Cornell?
    3. I don’t need to check every day. I saw your retarded comment on the right side of the
    recent posts page. It seems you’re dumb enough to believe I’m actually the guy who
    wrote that 1st post you initially responded to.
    4. My childish and immature post? lmao. It’s called sarcasm dumbass; and are you really
    a parent? I feel so sorry for your children who have to deal with a parent with that kind
    of attitude. Seriously, act your age. “Sounds like you will need it with your attitude and
    intellect.” I highly doubt any normal parent would say something like that.
    5. University of Michigan? that explains why you have an inferiority complex. Why don’t
    you go back to your state school.

    If you’re not an ivy grad, gtfo. Don’t need any more state school trash. Why don’t you worship Harvard (the school you never went to) some more in your room.

    Oh, and also. Since you don’t seem to know how to google either…here you go.
    //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cornell_University_alumni

  23. Vuvuzela Says:

    800 math, 780 verbal, Valedictorian at a top high school, 4.7 g.p.a.   Cornell was my first choice.

  24. Anonymous Says:

    i wish i could have gone to Harvard so I could waltz through with straight As and have everyone tell how amazing I am!

    Instead I was put through the real grindstone of Cornell where only the true geniuses do well, fuck Harvard.

  25. Joe Says:

    Clearing the air makes a very very good point.
    “Correction to people’s ignorant statements:
    CALS is NOT a state school. there is no such thing as a ’state school’ at cornell, except by the notion that cornell is new york state’s land grant school…

    CALS recieves tremendous research funding from New York, and it is a “contract college” (along with HumEc, ILR and the graduate school of Veterinary Medicine) because it has an obligation to provide New Yorkers with beneficial educations. but it is NOT a state school. SUNY has no jurisdiction over its programming, and no decision has ever been dictated to any program at cornell.

    in contrast, the Architecture School (with an admissions rate that would make harvard jealous), Arts and Sciences, Engineering, and Hotel Managment (the *real* eye-sore), are endowed colleges. this reflects that there is not a large funding commitment from the state for many of these programs, though it should be noted that federal funding (like the NSF and NASA) abounds.”

    The only reason for the State affiliation is the money, however there is not standards for acceptance of in or out of state students. Let’s be HONEST, THE CALS SCHOOL OFFERS A LOT MORE TO SOCIETY THAN THE ARTS AND SCIENCES PROGRAMS. The research opportunities (because it gets money from the state) are endless, almost every department in cals has cutting edge research all year long. How often do you see Arts and Sciences contributing to medicine, sociology, communication (which by the way is one of the fields of study responsible for making the internet so accessible to everyone). Oh and also, as more of a jumping off point, know that a lot of the majors in A & S is VERY VERY similar to CALS.

    And actually, on campus, Arts and Sciences gets the worst rap of being the easiest college to get through, aside for possible the School of Hotel Administration. Lets be frank, Pre-Vet, Pre-Med, Pre-Law, is a lot harder to mill through than reading old literature and painting pictures. But we all know that Engineering is the hardest college at Cornell.

  26. Joe Says:

    Clearing the air makes a very very good point.
    “Correction to people’s ignorant statements:
    CALS is NOT a state school. there is no such thing as a ’state school’ at cornell, except by the notion that cornell is new york state’s land grant school…

    CALS recieves tremendous research funding from New York, and it is a “contract college” (along with HumEc, ILR and the graduate school of Veterinary Medicine) because it has an obligation to provide New Yorkers with beneficial educations. but it is NOT a state school. SUNY has no jurisdiction over its programming, and no decision has ever been dictated to any program at cornell.

    in contrast, the Architecture School (with an admissions rate that would make harvard jealous), Arts and Sciences, Engineering, and Hotel Managment (the *real* eye-sore), are endowed colleges. this reflects that there is not a large funding commitment from the state for many of these programs, though it should be noted that federal funding (like the NSF and NASA) abounds.”

    The only reason for the State affiliation is the money, however there is not standards for acceptance of in or out of state students. Let’s be HONEST, THE CALS SCHOOL OFFERS A LOT MORE TO SOCIETY THAN THE ARTS AND SCIENCES PROGRAMS. The research opportunities (because it gets money from the state) are endless, almost every department in cals has cutting edge research all year long. How often do you see Arts and Sciences contributing to medicine, sociology, communication (which by the way is one of the fields of study responsible for making the internet so accessible to everyone). Oh and also, as more of a jumping off point, know that a lot of the majors in A & S is VERY VERY similar to CALS.

    And actually, on campus, Arts and Sciences gets the worst rap of being the easiest college to get through, aside for possible the School of Hotel Administration. Lets be frank, Pre-Vet, Pre-Med, Pre-Law, is a lot harder to mill through than reading old literature and painting pictures. But we all know that Engineering is the hardest college at Cornell.

  27. Better than you Says:

    I go to CALS and will soon be entering my junior year. I aspire for a grad degree in Mathematics in Finance; possibly Princeton? If you think this school is full of idiots why don’t you take a look at this course load. For all you gay arts majors, I bet you couldn’t handle the classes I m taking. Oh yeah and that Ann slut is a whore. Here is what my schedule looks like:

    B.S. Biometry and Statistics
    Statistics Concentration & Finance Minor

    Fall 2009
    BTRY 4080
    *Theory of Probability 4cr CALS
    AEM 2200
    $Introduction to Business Management 3cr CALS
    BEE 1510
    Introduction to Computer Programming 4cr CALS
    MATH 3230
    Introduction to Differential Equations 4cr
    15 credits

    Spring 2010
    BTRY 4090
    *Theory of Statistics 4cr CALS
    CS 2110
    #Object-Oriented Programming and Data Structures 3cr
    CS 2022
    Introduction to C 2cr
    AEM 2210
    $Financial Accounting 3cr CALS
    MATH 3110
    #Introduction to Analysis 4cr
    16 credits

    Fall 2010
    BTRY 6010
    *Statistical Methods I 4cr CALS
    AEM 3240
    $Finance 4cr CALS
    ORIE 4580
    Simulation Modeling and Analysis 4cr
    MATH 3320
    Algebra and Number Theory 4cr
    16 credits

    Spring 2011
    BTRY 6020
    *Statistical Methods II 4cr CALS
    AEM 4210
    $Derivatives and Risk Management 3cr CALS
    ORIE 3510
    #Introductory Engineering Stochastic Processes I 4cr
    BTRY 4790
    #Probabilistic Graphical Models 4cr CALS
    15 credits

  28. Better than you Says:

    I go to CALS and will soon be entering my junior year. I aspire for a grad degree in Mathematics in Finance; possibly Princeton? If you think this school is full of idiots why don’t you take a look at this course load. For all you gay arts majors, I bet you couldn’t handle the classes I m taking. Oh yeah and that Ann slut is a whore. Here is what my schedule looks like:

    B.S. Biometry and Statistics
    Statistics Concentration & Finance Minor

    Fall 2009
    BTRY 4080
    *Theory of Probability 4cr CALS
    AEM 2200
    $Introduction to Business Management 3cr CALS
    BEE 1510
    Introduction to Computer Programming 4cr CALS
    MATH 3230
    Introduction to Differential Equations 4cr
    15 credits

    Spring 2010
    BTRY 4090
    *Theory of Statistics 4cr CALS
    CS 2110
    #Object-Oriented Programming and Data Structures 3cr
    CS 2022
    Introduction to C 2cr
    AEM 2210
    $Financial Accounting 3cr CALS
    MATH 3110
    #Introduction to Analysis 4cr
    16 credits

    Fall 2010
    BTRY 6010
    *Statistical Methods I 4cr CALS
    AEM 3240
    $Finance 4cr CALS
    ORIE 4580
    Simulation Modeling and Analysis 4cr
    MATH 3320
    Algebra and Number Theory 4cr
    16 credits

    Spring 2011
    BTRY 6020
    *Statistical Methods II 4cr CALS
    AEM 4210
    $Derivatives and Risk Management 3cr CALS
    ORIE 3510
    #Introductory Engineering Stochastic Processes I 4cr
    BTRY 4790
    #Probabilistic Graphical Models 4cr CALS
    15 credits

  29. rebecca15 Says:

    “Cornell totally doesn’t count.” Please listen to yourself, y12. Just because Cornell isn’t one of the top 3 schools does not mean it isn’t a great school. Why can’t you understand that we are all getting excellent educations? We should be grateful for the opportunities that we have at ALL of these institutions and stop whining about who’s “better” or “worse,” especially the people who rant that “cornell totally isn’t an ivy.” It IS in the ivy league division, so it really doesn’t make sense to even argue something that is already a known fact. (moron)

  30. rebecca15 Says:

    “Cornell totally doesn’t count.” Please listen to yourself, y12. Just because Cornell isn’t one of the top 3 schools does not mean it isn’t a great school. Why can’t you understand that we are all getting excellent educations? We should be grateful for the opportunities that we have at ALL of these institutions and stop whining about who’s “better” or “worse,” especially the people who rant that “cornell totally isn’t an ivy.” It IS in the ivy league division, so it really doesn’t make sense to even argue something that is already a known fact. (moron)

  31. anon Says:

    @ Joe: Spoken like a true farmhand. Yeehaw!

  32. anon Says:

    @ Joe: Spoken like a true farmhand. Yeehaw!

  33. D '07 Says:

    Bigot, go fuck yourself.

  34. D '07 Says:

    Bigot, go fuck yourself.

  35. Belinda Says:

    This woman believes that women should not have the right to vote. This might be proof that she is in fact a man. Whenever I see or read about a woman that believes other women should be oppressed I am at a loss for words! Who cares where you graduate from when you have ignorant views such as this. College, “ivy” league or not cannot change the inner stupidity of a train wreak like ann coulter.

  36. Belinda Says:

    This woman believes that women should not have the right to vote. This might be proof that she is in fact a man. Whenever I see or read about a woman that believes other women should be oppressed I am at a loss for words! Who cares where you graduate from when you have ignorant views such as this. College, “ivy” league or not cannot change the inner stupidity of a train wreak like ann coulter.

  37. Kacey Says:

    Cornell was founded as a land grant institution. Thus, if any students are to be considered “real” ivy league students it would be those who attend or attended state endowed colleges within the university. As someone who studied science at Cornell, I am much happier to have a Bachelor of Science degree which is only granted in the Ag School. Furthermore, the classes that I took as a Biology major in the Ag school were the exact same classes that my friend took at as a Biology major in the A&S school. We had the exact same professors and classes and I had higher admittance board scores than she did, but she paid 2 times as much tuition as I did. I will make one further point to those of you at other Ivy League schools that have chosen to take this as an opportunity to bash Cornell. Cornell is one of the hardest Ivies there is because unlike others we don’t grade inflate…at all. The other institutions are notorious for it.

  38. Kacey Says:

    Cornell was founded as a land grant institution. Thus, if any students are to be considered “real” ivy league students it would be those who attend or attended state endowed colleges within the university. As someone who studied science at Cornell, I am much happier to have a Bachelor of Science degree which is only granted in the Ag School. Furthermore, the classes that I took as a Biology major in the Ag school were the exact same classes that my friend took at as a Biology major in the A&S school. We had the exact same professors and classes and I had higher admittance board scores than she did, but she paid 2 times as much tuition as I did. I will make one further point to those of you at other Ivy League schools that have chosen to take this as an opportunity to bash Cornell. Cornell is one of the hardest Ivies there is because unlike others we don’t grade inflate…at all. The other institutions are notorious for it.

  39. Sal Monella Says:

    Obvious Counter was exaggerating to bait Olberman, who should have had a hook in
    his mouth when showing his diploma on television. The Ag school students (I was one before attending Veterinary College at Cornell) are very gifted. However, unless things
    have changed since I attended 40 years ago, the average Arts and Science student was
    more intelligent. My wife was an “artsie”. Her SAT score was 1591. My score was 1400.
    I made in a point to stay away from courses where political opinion would affect your grades. We were so concerned about this that we sent our children who could easily have been accepted to Cornell to the University of Virginia. We thought they would be exposed to a more balanced education there. They were. Besides, the tuition was 75% less than
    Cornell’s art school.

  40. Daniel Says:

    This is vulgar. Cornell is a very good school. It is not as selective as, for instance, Princeton. Everyone knows that. Can we let it go already?

    Also, Ann Coulter has a J.D. from the University of Michigan, which is undeniably a state school. And also very, very good.

  41. Kevin Says:

    Cornell has grade deflation(All institutions), in contrast with Harvard. Also Cornell CALS is right now the fastest growing program in research in the country, since it gets an extra boost from NY state and its departments are flooding with awards like they never did. In conclusion CALS is not as old as most Harvard schools but is for sure advancing at a pace much faster breaking barriers and probably contributing or is going (in a near future for sure) more to society. The point is that the school is young, but has become one of the top schools in the world in just a couple of years. 
    Also Harvard gets presidents and more, because its made out of rich parents who have the network to make their sons presidents and they know the children of their rich friends also go to Harvard so they will make a good network of the most probable presidents or CEO´s ,there are tons of people better prepared that most presidents have been, what made the different is the “prestige” and the “connections” they had…
    If any Ivy is going down is Dartmouth according to factual data.

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