From someone who knows a few of these pledges, I can say that may of you are wrong. First off any idiot who says “frats haze, frats drink get over it.” is a dumbass. Just because its widespread doesnt make it legal. And just because it isnt mandatory doesnt make it right. Statuatory rape is consentual…is that not illegal. Being blackout drunk in public regardless of what age is illegal but because they are a frat does that make it ok? And if you are willingly becoming blackout drunk you do not need to be pledging you need to go seek help.

As a member of the Cornell Greek system, and as someone who knows more than a few Alpha Delt brothers, I am fully confident confirming all that is reported to be true. They need to wisen up, they’re making us all look bad. Social Probation here we come…

Cut him some slack, he goes to a school where alcohol abuse is swept under the rug by a private police force that recently fought a constitutional battle with the state of Connecticut in order to keep its records safe from the public (read: future employers’) eye. Fortunately, the state ruled that the homeless and New Haven people of color have a right to access their Yale police records, even if it means possibly compromising Patrick Bateman’s job prospects on Wall Street.

As a member of a Cornell frat as well as a Dartmouth one I can attest to the fact that hazing doesn’t occur, all sexual contact is consensual, and we only stick the tip in.

what is wrong with you fucking ivygate dweebs?

Apparently the rest of the ivy league is pretty soft. Grow a pair ADphi, this is hardly hazing. You wouldn’t make it through a real Dartmouth pledge term.

You call that hazing?

stop being a bunch of pussies

If you can’t bring Keystone, I’m resigning and I’ll pick a new frat next semester.

doesn’t sound any worse than your average reality tv show.

forcing them to watch american idol, now that would be hazing.

my advice to Alex is to stop wasting his time on what other people voluntarily do, there are plenty real issues that need “investigating”.

i know im a little late on this…

but @dartmouth, youre right, we dont live in ithaca. we live in hanover. we have a pretty god damn good idea what cold is, and guess what? we love it. we run naked in the snow for fun. thats not hazing, thats a laugh. dipshit.

A real frat would ask pledges to sever their own fingers and eat them.

This is pussy shit.

Well, gee guys. Aren’t you special.

I thought of joining a fraternity after my return from two tours in Vietnam with the 101st Airborne Infantry Division. When the pledge ‘King’ informed me of what would happen during pledge week, I explained to him what a ChiCom SKS bayonet (war trophy) was capable of doing to his intestinal tract and other internal organs. Imagine my surprise that I did not get a call back.

After receiving three undergraduate degrees, a master’s degree and a doctorate, I am unpleasantly surprised to note that not much has changed in insular ‘brat’ world.

Now, compose some unpleasant retorts and, of course, be sure to not change anything,’BOYS’.

I don’t have anything to say — other than that I’m really confused as to what your military service has to do with fraternity pledge periods. (Also, General James Terry Conway is a SigEp.)

@ DartMounth: Regarding The Comparison Of The Military And The Fraternity

Let us consider two subgroups of our nations young men, those just leaving adolescence and moving unsteadily into adulthood. Two groups which are beginning the journey of discovery regarding what it means to be a man, a citizen of this nation, a moral and ethical person within the human race. One of these groups volunteers for service to our nation. They represent the full spectrum of subcultures within our nation’s population. Their status within our society, privileged or pauper, does not deter them. In discharging their service this group learns discipline. They learn what is required of a person that they might gain the respect of another. They extend themselves beyond that which they had previously thought possible of their own mortal flesh and sane mind. They are acknowledged with outpourings of praise and are widely honored by their families, their neighbors, their nation. They are hailed as being the best in the world at their profession. Their services are requested, no demanded, whenever tragic events occur. Great monuments are dedicated in their honor. Holidays are celebrated in their honor. Poetry, prose, and great speeches are written. One group of young men set for themselves the goal of achieving honor. The other subgroup of young men? Should we say, their reputation in our society is well known, and oft reinforced by repetition.

Austin, how bout tottin your own horn a little more, you can continue to sit and rise and sit and rise on your ChiCom SKS bayonet! In fact just get off the college posting section and back to the Karl Rove Lovers forum

Austin…calm down. And what is the 101st “Airborne Infantry” Division? Didn’t know your own division’s name?

also, dartmouth: so go to officer candidate school. there is nothing stopping you.

fraternities and hazing are fucking stupid, as are all of you ivy league douchebags.

@Ivy League veteran: woah, there. I have enough friends and family in the military to know that it’s hardly so valorous or honorable as Pvt. Pyle makes it out to be. The fact that I think that most Ivy League kids are smarmy bastards doesn’t mean that I think soldiers have any kind of moral authority.

I’d just like to point out that these Neanderthals are part of Alpha Delta Phi Fraternity, which seems like your typical dumbass frat, and not the Alpha Delta Phi *society* which seceded in 1992, is fully co-ed, and has renounced hazing and other such typical fratboy bullshit.

No harm, no foul. At least they were informed ahead of time via email. That’s more than I can say about my pledging experience. Hazing is, more times than not, a victimless crime. What’s stopping the pledges from leaving if they’re uncomfortable? Peer pressure?Life is a haze. Your boss, your wife, your kids will all make you do stuff you don’t want to do.

No harm, no foul. At least they were informed ahead of time via email. That’s more than I can say about my pledging experience. Hazing is, more times than not, a victimless crime. What’s stopping the pledges from leaving if they’re uncomfortable? Peer pressure?Life is a haze. Your boss, your wife, your kids will all make you do stuff you don’t want to do.

I’m 65 and pledged a fraternity in the mid-60s.

IvyGate, I have to tell you, your fake(?) outrage strikes me as misplaced, over-the-top and possibly too much information about your own proclivities.

Back in the 60′s, trust me, all the hazing WASN’T fun. But it did teach me some things that have stood me in good stead all my life. I pledged an organization I wanted to be part of for my own reasons. That organization tested the intensity of that decision to the limits.

Not long after my fraternity hazing, I went into Army boot camp. Guess what, IvyGate, not only did I find the federal government testing my resolve to the limits — I found the limits they were testing laughably innocuous.

Both experiences taught me a very valuable lesson. We are much tougher than we realize. To paraphrase, “When the going gets tough, the average person discovers s/he is tougher than s/he thought.”

What kind of man would allow himself to be humiliated by other men like this? If any punk had ever tried to treat me like this, I would have (righteously) beaten him to a fucking pulp. No wonder character is in such short supply among college students these days.

Here’s another inside look at the homoerotic practices that go on in fraternities: http://tinyurl.com/yjxjbv2