‘Princetonian’ Tells Women They Were Asking For It

The Princetonian, somehow, published an op-ed blaming women for getting raped. Buckle your seatbelts, here comes a long quote:

Therefore, the girl willingly got herself into a state in which she could not act rationally. This, in my opinion, is equivalent to agreeing to anything that might happen to her while in this state. In the case of our girl, this happened to be sex with a stranger.

This brings up another question: Why is the guy always to blame? Since the beginning of time, society has taught us that whenever a situation like this arises, the fault belongs almost entirely to the male participant.

And thus women ought not accuse men of rape, to correct the balance. Okay! Well. There are so many things to say — first of which is that the article is written by a freshman. Oh, Iulia Neagu, so much to learn about not starting controversies with your incredibly retrograde opinions! Also enraging: how she frames her argument as “logical” simply by using the phrases “common sense” and “therefore” repeatedly.

Other things to say are said by the 166 comments on the Prince site. One of them reads:

I’m very disappointed the Prince staff allowed this to be published. They’re obviously just using a poor freshman as a sacrifice to the publicity gods. Now, everyone will talk about this tomorrow, read their Princes, and post here. It’s really not okay to publish something like this, and the only reason it would be is for readership.

Hey, don’t get too mad at the editors, though. Little Iulia said it best: you’re not capable of making wise decisions when you’re drunk.

  • Yale Man

    @D’10 Read the entirety of the comments section on the Princeton article. The RIDICULOUS analogies are incredibly alarming.

    @D’07 – Okay, understand your clarification. I think the issue is that people are using different varieties/ definitions/ conceptions of the word “consent.” I agree that sex without “consent” in the common usage sense is deplorable. I disagree that sex without “consent” in the legal sense is deplorable. In the legal sense, an intoxicated woman cannot give “consent” so any sex with an intoxicated woman is “rape” if she says so. By that definition, I am guilty of rape and know tons of rapists. I therefore have an issue with that definition. I don’t understand why a man can give “consent” while intoxicated, but a woman cannot. Further, lets me honest – the vast majority of hook-ups in college occur while both parties are intoxicated.

    @Ada – I’m sorry, but can you please explain to me how you know that “less than 5% of sexual assaults are reported”? That might possibly be the STUPIDEST statistic I’ve ever heard someone cite. If they weren’t reported then how do you know they happened???? Further, what is your definition of “sexual assault” for all these sexual assaults that are occurring?

    @Princeton ’12 – yes, I do know of two cases where women made certainly accusations. There are two instances I know of involving a fraternity and another involving a sport’s team in which two different girls accused a number of guys of sexual assault. In at least the fraternity instance, the girl was embarrassed by the fact that people had found out about her drunken behavior and a guy she had slept with after just meeting him. Knowing both him and her and having seen their interactions earlier in the night, it was clear that she was all over him. She accused some other guys in the house of sexual assault because they were walking around naked (in their own house where they lived!) and claimed that they entered the room at one point and she felt “intimidated.” She was never touched by any of them, yet the school and the police pursued the incident and their reputations were smeared. Fortunately, they hired a good attorney and the prosecutor agreed that if they performed community service and stayed out of trouble for a year, the charges would be expunged.

    Also, take a look at the Duke Lacrosse case from 2006. Then try to tell me that questionable accusations don’t happen.
    Instances of women making questionable accusations and blaming others for their own behavior is all too real. The op-ed is poorly written and not nearly sufficiently nuanced, but it does raise some important issues.

  • Yale Man

    @D’10 Read the entirety of the comments section on the Princeton article. The RIDICULOUS analogies are incredibly alarming.

    @D’07 – Okay, understand your clarification. I think the issue is that people are using different varieties/ definitions/ conceptions of the word “consent.” I agree that sex without “consent” in the common usage sense is deplorable. I disagree that sex without “consent” in the legal sense is deplorable. In the legal sense, an intoxicated woman cannot give “consent” so any sex with an intoxicated woman is “rape” if she says so. By that definition, I am guilty of rape and know tons of rapists. I therefore have an issue with that definition. I don’t understand why a man can give “consent” while intoxicated, but a woman cannot. Further, lets me honest – the vast majority of hook-ups in college occur while both parties are intoxicated.

    @Ada – I’m sorry, but can you please explain to me how you know that “less than 5% of sexual assaults are reported”? That might possibly be the STUPIDEST statistic I’ve ever heard someone cite. If they weren’t reported then how do you know they happened???? Further, what is your definition of “sexual assault” for all these sexual assaults that are occurring?

    @Princeton ’12 – yes, I do know of two cases where women made certainly accusations. There are two instances I know of involving a fraternity and another involving a sport’s team in which two different girls accused a number of guys of sexual assault. In at least the fraternity instance, the girl was embarrassed by the fact that people had found out about her drunken behavior and a guy she had slept with after just meeting him. Knowing both him and her and having seen their interactions earlier in the night, it was clear that she was all over him. She accused some other guys in the house of sexual assault because they were walking around naked (in their own house where they lived!) and claimed that they entered the room at one point and she felt “intimidated.” She was never touched by any of them, yet the school and the police pursued the incident and their reputations were smeared. Fortunately, they hired a good attorney and the prosecutor agreed that if they performed community service and stayed out of trouble for a year, the charges would be expunged.

    Also, take a look at the Duke Lacrosse case from 2006. Then try to tell me that questionable accusations don’t happen.
    Instances of women making questionable accusations and blaming others for their own behavior is all too real. The op-ed is poorly written and not nearly sufficiently nuanced, but it does raise some important issues.

  • Yale Man

    @D’10 Read the entirety of the comments section on the Princeton article. The RIDICULOUS analogies are incredibly alarming.

    @D’07 – Okay, understand your clarification. I think the issue is that people are using different varieties/ definitions/ conceptions of the word “consent.” I agree that sex without “consent” in the common usage sense is deplorable. I disagree that sex without “consent” in the legal sense is deplorable. In the legal sense, an intoxicated woman cannot give “consent” so any sex with an intoxicated woman is “rape” if she says so. By that definition, I am guilty of rape and know tons of rapists. I therefore have an issue with that definition. I don’t understand why a man can give “consent” while intoxicated, but a woman cannot. Further, lets me honest – the vast majority of hook-ups in college occur while both parties are intoxicated.

    @Ada – I’m sorry, but can you please explain to me how you know that “less than 5% of sexual assaults are reported”? That might possibly be the STUPIDEST statistic I’ve ever heard someone cite. If they weren’t reported then how do you know they happened???? Further, what is your definition of “sexual assault” for all these sexual assaults that are occurring?

    @Princeton ’12 – yes, I do know of two cases where women made certainly accusations. There are two instances I know of involving a fraternity and another involving a sport’s team in which two different girls accused a number of guys of sexual assault. In at least the fraternity instance, the girl was embarrassed by the fact that people had found out about her drunken behavior and a guy she had slept with after just meeting him. Knowing both him and her and having seen their interactions earlier in the night, it was clear that she was all over him. She accused some other guys in the house of sexual assault because they were walking around naked (in their own house where they lived!) and claimed that they entered the room at one point and she felt “intimidated.” She was never touched by any of them, yet the school and the police pursued the incident and their reputations were smeared. Fortunately, they hired a good attorney and the prosecutor agreed that if they performed community service and stayed out of trouble for a year, the charges would be expunged.

    Also, take a look at the Duke Lacrosse case from 2006. Then try to tell me that questionable accusations don’t happen.
    Instances of women making questionable accusations and blaming others for their own behavior is all too real. The op-ed is poorly written and not nearly sufficiently nuanced, but it does raise some important issues.

  • H 10

    This is the most hilariously offensive, misguided, idiotic thing I’ve seen posted in a college newspaper. I mean, that first sentence would get shredded by anyone who’s taken a freaking junior high history class. I honestly couldn’t take the writer seriously after I read that.

  • H 10

    This is the most hilariously offensive, misguided, idiotic thing I’ve seen posted in a college newspaper. I mean, that first sentence would get shredded by anyone who’s taken a freaking junior high history class. I honestly couldn’t take the writer seriously after I read that.

  • H 10

    This is the most hilariously offensive, misguided, idiotic thing I’ve seen posted in a college newspaper. I mean, that first sentence would get shredded by anyone who’s taken a freaking junior high history class. I honestly couldn’t take the writer seriously after I read that.

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  • Yale Man and D ’07 Are Right

    I’d say it’s wrong to consider consensual drunk sex rape. There’s a legal argument to be made that someone who’s drunk can’t legally consent to anything, but I think this misses the point. If they consent, the way D ’07 understands it, then it’s not rape, even if it wouldn’t hold up in court. If the girl and the guy both did it freely, then neither should accuse the other of rape. Obviously having sex with an unconscious individual is (and should be considered) rape. That’s why this article is bullshit.

  • Yale Man and D ’07 Are Right

    I’d say it’s wrong to consider consensual drunk sex rape. There’s a legal argument to be made that someone who’s drunk can’t legally consent to anything, but I think this misses the point. If they consent, the way D ’07 understands it, then it’s not rape, even if it wouldn’t hold up in court. If the girl and the guy both did it freely, then neither should accuse the other of rape. Obviously having sex with an unconscious individual is (and should be considered) rape. That’s why this article is bullshit.

  • the other side

    You guys are blowing this way out of proportion. Obviously, some people have nothing better to do than over-analyze an opinionated article and rip apart the work of a poor girl who just wanted to present another perspective. On top of that, some people are seriously misquoting the point of the article. Neagu’s not saying that the girl should be responsible for rape; she is questioning why, if both parties were inebriated and committed sexual acts, the male is always to blame. The point she is trying to get across is the gender inequality socially accepted in this sort of situation. She is not saying that the rape victim is responsible for a rape. In fact, she does not even refer to rape specifically, but only refer to this specific situation of two drunk individuals. This is evident if you would just read the first portion of the article:

    “Imagine the following scenario: A girl goes to a frat party, drinks too much and has sex with a guy she just met. The next day she does not remember anything. When she finally realizes what occurred, she wants her partner charged with rape.”

    LAY OFF THIS POOR GIRL! She wrote this article in hopes of having something interesting enough so that readers will actually read the article instead of glancing at the page and moving on to a more interesting section. Unfortunately, her article may not have been worded well to support her main point and she might have made statements that she did not think through completely. This does not give anyone an excuse to make these giant leaps, put words into her mouth, and then condemn her for things she is not saying. Just please give this a rest.

  • the other side

    You guys are blowing this way out of proportion. Obviously, some people have nothing better to do than over-analyze an opinionated article and rip apart the work of a poor girl who just wanted to present another perspective. On top of that, some people are seriously misquoting the point of the article. Neagu’s not saying that the girl should be responsible for rape; she is questioning why, if both parties were inebriated and committed sexual acts, the male is always to blame. The point she is trying to get across is the gender inequality socially accepted in this sort of situation. She is not saying that the rape victim is responsible for a rape. In fact, she does not even refer to rape specifically, but only refer to this specific situation of two drunk individuals. This is evident if you would just read the first portion of the article:

    “Imagine the following scenario: A girl goes to a frat party, drinks too much and has sex with a guy she just met. The next day she does not remember anything. When she finally realizes what occurred, she wants her partner charged with rape.”

    LAY OFF THIS POOR GIRL! She wrote this article in hopes of having something interesting enough so that readers will actually read the article instead of glancing at the page and moving on to a more interesting section. Unfortunately, her article may not have been worded well to support her main point and she might have made statements that she did not think through completely. This does not give anyone an excuse to make these giant leaps, put words into her mouth, and then condemn her for things she is not saying. Just please give this a rest.

  • the other side

    You guys are blowing this way out of proportion. Obviously, some people have nothing better to do than over-analyze an opinionated article and rip apart the work of a poor girl who just wanted to present another perspective. On top of that, some people are seriously misquoting the point of the article. Neagu’s not saying that the girl should be responsible for rape; she is questioning why, if both parties were inebriated and committed sexual acts, the male is always to blame. The point she is trying to get across is the gender inequality socially accepted in this sort of situation. She is not saying that the rape victim is responsible for a rape. In fact, she does not even refer to rape specifically, but only refer to this specific situation of two drunk individuals. This is evident if you would just read the first portion of the article:

    “Imagine the following scenario: A girl goes to a frat party, drinks too much and has sex with a guy she just met. The next day she does not remember anything. When she finally realizes what occurred, she wants her partner charged with rape.”

    LAY OFF THIS POOR GIRL! She wrote this article in hopes of having something interesting enough so that readers will actually read the article instead of glancing at the page and moving on to a more interesting section. Unfortunately, her article may not have been worded well to support her main point and she might have made statements that she did not think through completely. This does not give anyone an excuse to make these giant leaps, put words into her mouth, and then condemn her for things she is not saying. Just please give this a rest.

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  • Latecomer

    @D’07
    “That said, I don’t think that [false rape accusations] happen enough to say that a woman can’t claim to have been raped if she ‘participated’”

    So you’re saying a woman CAN claim to have been raped, even if she ‘participated’?! (why is it in quote marks anyway?)
    Also, what you think does or does not happen enough should have no bearing on making false rape claims (or real rape claims for that matter) – simply, it should not matter so why are you even bringing it up?

    “Women are pretty clear about when they’re enjoying sex. If those signs are not present, run away. Far away.”
    If those signs aren’t present during sex, surely it’s too late by then anyway?

  • Latecomer

    @D’07
    “That said, I don’t think that [false rape accusations] happen enough to say that a woman can’t claim to have been raped if she ‘participated’”

    So you’re saying a woman CAN claim to have been raped, even if she ‘participated’?! (why is it in quote marks anyway?)
    Also, what you think does or does not happen enough should have no bearing on making false rape claims (or real rape claims for that matter) – simply, it should not matter so why are you even bringing it up?

    “Women are pretty clear about when they’re enjoying sex. If those signs are not present, run away. Far away.”
    If those signs aren’t present during sex, surely it’s too late by then anyway?

  • Latecomer

    @D’07
    “That said, I don’t think that [false rape accusations] happen enough to say that a woman can’t claim to have been raped if she ‘participated’”

    So you’re saying a woman CAN claim to have been raped, even if she ‘participated’?! (why is it in quote marks anyway?)
    Also, what you think does or does not happen enough should have no bearing on making false rape claims (or real rape claims for that matter) – simply, it should not matter so why are you even bringing it up?

    “Women are pretty clear about when they’re enjoying sex. If those signs are not present, run away. Far away.”
    If those signs aren’t present during sex, surely it’s too late by then anyway?