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Harvard Crimson Publishes Holocaust Denial Ad

by Adam Clark Estes | September 8, 2009 at 10:42 pm

Today’s Crimson featured a neat little open letter from Bradley Smith, founder of the Committee for the Open Debate on the Holocaust. Yep, it is exactly what it sounds like. A group that questions the existence of the Holocaust.

Bradley Smith, the founder of the organization that placed the ad, is a known Holocaust denier who has been identified for his hiding behind the veil of free speech in America. Here’s his coolest quote:

I don’t want to spend time with adults anymore. I want to go to students. They are superficial. They are empty vessels to be filled.

Really, economic times are hard—Harvard knows that—but the Crimson business board is really opening the flood gates with this one. Not only is the Harvard Hillel pretty serious about not ignoring Jewish history, but to be frank, their student body is pretty aware of the sensitivity of certain issues.

Seriously, the First Amendment is awesome, but would the Crimson might as well run a full page for the Imperial Klans of America on that campus. (Yeah, that’s the real link. I’m on some sort of list now I think. Fuck you, Harvard Crimson Business Board for making me reckon with freedom of speech!)

After the jump, pictures of kittens. Because IvyGate was not built to deal with bigot-speak. But you can see the ad in context, too.

UPDATE: Max Child, President of the Harvard Crimson, published an apology. Evidently it was some sort of crazy accident. They even gave the ad money back to Mr. Hates-the-Jews. Nice cover-up, dude.

Just kidding. So not only did the Crimson run the ad, they ran it directly opposite an announcement from the Kennedy School of Government’s forum on “The Right Thing To Do.” Our thanks go out to On Harvard Time for this pic:

To take the journalistic high road, have a talk about this in the comments. Here’s your kittens. I’m gonna go cry:

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Shane

You go BC 2011! I always knew there was a reason I was dating Barnard girls the whole time I was at Columbia…and at HLS. hahaha

Seriously though, that’s the most succinct, cogent rebuttal to this denial nonsense I’ve come across, I will be copying and pasting that for future reference whenever I come across one of these cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs holocaust deniers or “investigators” or whatever they call themselves. Anything longer would be tedious, anything shorter would be insufficient. Clearly somebody’s been learning something in college, unlike half the people leaving comments.
Cayuga

Wow this one really pulled some great commentators out of the woodwork.
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How about the fact that the Crimson should be able to run any ad someone wants to pay for? You’re silly if you tie the content of any ads to the editors. And why validate a distasteful ad with controversy? Everyone knows there are crazy Holocaust deniers; trying to suppress them only shows your insecurity. Your mother was right- just ignore the bullies. Maybe then we can move on from having these same pointless controversies over and over.
Cayuga

Wow this one really pulled some great commentators out of the woodwork.
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How about the fact that the Crimson should be able to run any ad someone wants to pay for? You’re silly if you tie the content of any ads to the editors. And why validate a distasteful ad with controversy? Everyone knows there are crazy Holocaust deniers; trying to suppress them only shows your insecurity. Your mother was right- just ignore the bullies. Maybe then we can move on from having these same pointless controversies over and over.
Cayuga

Wow this one really pulled some great commentators out of the woodwork.
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How about the fact that the Crimson should be able to run any ad someone wants to pay for? You’re silly if you tie the content of any ads to the editors. And why validate a distasteful ad with controversy? Everyone knows there are crazy Holocaust deniers; trying to suppress them only shows your insecurity. Your mother was right- just ignore the bullies. Maybe then we can move on from having these same pointless controversies over and over.
Y11

Columbia63, you’ve moved on to new lunacy. Backpedal all you want on your holocaust denial, but now you’re saying that 9/11 was designed by ISRAEL in order to get us to attack their Arab enemies. Ever heard of Occam’s Razor? Muslim extremists attack New York City, and Muslim extremists then take responsibility for the attacks. Therefore the attacks must have been undertaken by…. ZIONISTS! Of course! You’re an idiot.
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There’s a debate to be had over the Israeli-Palestinian dynamic, but even the staunchest, LOGICAL supporters of the Palestinians acknowledge that it has always taken two to tango there. Israel is a country that has been under attack since the day it was born. You can argue the legitimacy of that birth, but don’t claim Zionists are using the Holocaust to slaughter “innocent” Palestinians. They, like the rest of us, are just trying to stay alive.
Y11

Columbia63, you’ve moved on to new lunacy. Backpedal all you want on your holocaust denial, but now you’re saying that 9/11 was designed by ISRAEL in order to get us to attack their Arab enemies. Ever heard of Occam’s Razor? Muslim extremists attack New York City, and Muslim extremists then take responsibility for the attacks. Therefore the attacks must have been undertaken by…. ZIONISTS! Of course! You’re an idiot.
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There’s a debate to be had over the Israeli-Palestinian dynamic, but even the staunchest, LOGICAL supporters of the Palestinians acknowledge that it has always taken two to tango there. Israel is a country that has been under attack since the day it was born. You can argue the legitimacy of that birth, but don’t claim Zionists are using the Holocaust to slaughter “innocent” Palestinians. They, like the rest of us, are just trying to stay alive.
Y11

Columbia63, you’ve moved on to new lunacy. Backpedal all you want on your holocaust denial, but now you’re saying that 9/11 was designed by ISRAEL in order to get us to attack their Arab enemies. Ever heard of Occam’s Razor? Muslim extremists attack New York City, and Muslim extremists then take responsibility for the attacks. Therefore the attacks must have been undertaken by…. ZIONISTS! Of course! You’re an idiot.
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There’s a debate to be had over the Israeli-Palestinian dynamic, but even the staunchest, LOGICAL supporters of the Palestinians acknowledge that it has always taken two to tango there. Israel is a country that has been under attack since the day it was born. You can argue the legitimacy of that birth, but don’t claim Zionists are using the Holocaust to slaughter “innocent” Palestinians. They, like the rest of us, are just trying to stay alive.
Columbia63

Y11:

You must be a Bonesman – Bonehead would be more accurate. If you listen to the Neturei Karta True Torah Jews, Israel was an abortion! I suppose they let any idiot into Yale these days. Bush set a great precedent. ;)
Columbia63

Y11:

You must be a Bonesman – Bonehead would be more accurate. If you listen to the Neturei Karta True Torah Jews, Israel was an abortion! I suppose they let any idiot into Yale these days. Bush set a great precedent. ;)
Columbia63

Y11:

You must be a Bonesman – Bonehead would be more accurate. If you listen to the Neturei Karta True Torah Jews, Israel was an abortion! I suppose they let any idiot into Yale these days. Bush set a great precedent. ;)
Columbia63

PS to Y11:

Israel is conducting its very own Holocaust against the Palestinians. The Zionists learned a lot from the Nazis. Their ‘Holocaust’ is just a gimmick to ward of criticism, generate Goy Guilt and raise more “Wiedergutmachen” billions. Well, like they say in Hollywood: “There’s no business like Shoah business”.
Columbia63

PS to Y11:

Israel is conducting its very own Holocaust against the Palestinians. The Zionists learned a lot from the Nazis. Their ‘Holocaust’ is just a gimmick to ward of criticism, generate Goy Guilt and raise more “Wiedergutmachen” billions. Well, like they say in Hollywood: “There’s no business like Shoah business”.
Columbia63

PS to Y11:

Israel is conducting its very own Holocaust against the Palestinians. The Zionists learned a lot from the Nazis. Their ‘Holocaust’ is just a gimmick to ward of criticism, generate Goy Guilt and raise more “Wiedergutmachen” billions. Well, like they say in Hollywood: “There’s no business like Shoah business”.
Columbia63

PPS to Y11:

Google ‘Christopher Bollyn’ and study his website. Everything about 911 will then fall into place – like its own footprint place!
Columbia63

PPS to Y11:

Google ‘Christopher Bollyn’ and study his website. Everything about 911 will then fall into place – like its own footprint place!
Y11

Get thee behind me, troll.
Y11

Get thee behind me, troll.
Y11

Get thee behind me, troll.
Columbia63

Y11:

Is Michael Hoffman’s book “Judaism Discovered” on Yale’s Required Reading list? How about Norman Finkelstein’s “The Holocaust Industry”? Do they teach you anything about “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”? Is the ‘Holocaust’ research of Zundel, Rudolf and Irving available on the Yale library bookshelves? If still in doubt after studying all that, re-read Benjamin Freedman’s 1974 speech about Jews and Khazars. Even if you have only half a brain, things should come together for you before you graduate. Good luck!

PS Don’t let any Bonesmen get behind you – they’re probably Republicans.
Columbia63

Y11:

Is Michael Hoffman’s book “Judaism Discovered” on Yale’s Required Reading list? How about Norman Finkelstein’s “The Holocaust Industry”? Do they teach you anything about “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”? Is the ‘Holocaust’ research of Zundel, Rudolf and Irving available on the Yale library bookshelves? If still in doubt after studying all that, re-read Benjamin Freedman’s 1974 speech about Jews and Khazars. Even if you have only half a brain, things should come together for you before you graduate. Good luck!

PS Don’t let any Bonesmen get behind you – they’re probably Republicans.
Columbia63

Y11:

Is Michael Hoffman’s book “Judaism Discovered” on Yale’s Required Reading list? How about Norman Finkelstein’s “The Holocaust Industry”? Do they teach you anything about “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”? Is the ‘Holocaust’ research of Zundel, Rudolf and Irving available on the Yale library bookshelves? If still in doubt after studying all that, re-read Benjamin Freedman’s 1974 speech about Jews and Khazars. Even if you have only half a brain, things should come together for you before you graduate. Good luck!

PS Don’t let any Bonesmen get behind you – they’re probably Republicans.
Furnald Hall

The problem isn’t with genuine inquiry into genocides — mass killings are often poorly documented, information seems frequently suppressed in an organized fashion after the fact, and witnesses tend to be close-mouthed, making what actually happened hard to reconstruct, though something dire seems clearly to have occurred. The problem is more with people who overtly deny the genocide, but who appear to be political entrepreneurs actually trying to mobilize support by trying to get across sneeringly “It never happened! Ha ha! HEY, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA! (SNEER) We’re going to do it again as soon as we put together the support! Ha ha…you can’t stop us! Feel fear of us.!” Creating fear in the victim group to realize some political or material gain, rather than repeating the genocide in actuality, seems the commonest motive, but risk of real mass violence is dangerously high in many cases.

There tends to be enough of the “it never happened and we’re gonna do it again if you don’t give us something!” around as to make things difficult for more neutral inquirers. Worse, it can be hard to assess internal unexpressed motives well until one knows the parties for some time, which, along with understandable hypersensitivity of residual populations of victim groups, adds to the problem.

I would like to be clear that I base the foregoing comments not just on the familiar Holocaust denial issue, but on the trouble finding out exactly what happened in Uganda under Idi Amin, with the Herero Rebellion in then German South West Africa, to the Armenians in 1915, to the Cambodians recently, for different reasons to the indigenous population of Mexico, etc. etc.

All I can propose is that while genocides and partial-genocides can be very hard to reconstruct in detail, one area that could be productively explored by academics, where accurate information is still available to the careful researcher in proportion to the amount of work expended, and that may turn out to be helpful with the resolution of the “denial of genocide” issue, is the long term social and psychological aftermath (as opposed to the original implementation) of genocidal episodes. This would include the phenomena of, and multiple reasons for, denial, and particularly political entrepreneurs’ using innuendo of repetition long after the fact.

The latter, in my own lived experience and travel, is a surprisingly widespread use to which the generally widely known history of various genocides are put locally. While such threats occur in “the West,” they are also simultaneously denounced there and efforts to keep them marginal have been hitherto generally successful. The same in some, but not all, other societies. I have, however, found that in other regions there exists not even introspectively derived doubt about the fairness or wisdom of the tactic of threatening genocide, particularly in conflicts with former victim groups. The historical victim group continues to be excluded from the socially defined “population that are accepted as fully human” and whose killing has the consequences attendant on killing people; threats simultaneously heavy with denial and innuendo of a repetition of a past genocide are common from local political entrepreneurs; and a whole, dangerous, atmosphere that killing a member of the victim group “has no more consequence than killing a cockroach” is virtually the societal norm (all individual exceptions admitted, and there must be some; they tend to be silent in public, though.)

I conclude that if the Crimson genuinely (that is, neither consciously nor preconsciously) had no intent to subtly use the ad to threaten others for political gain (not just Jews in a current political context but also by creating a larger “political space” for hinting at the acceptability of genocide, giving it an potential tactic against any group with which it might be in conflict and who might fear such a threat)then the matter is minor. But if otherwise it could be the tip of an unpleasant iceberg at Harvard.

With the university’s faculty and graduates so influential in the on-the-ground resolution of many important international and minority group conflicts where other, often not very powerful, peoples’ lives are at stake, such an emergent view on the acceptability of veiled threats of, or even of the actual practice of partial genocides as a legitimate political tool is worrying. One wishes, therefore, to know a bit more.

“Furnald Hall”
Furnald Hall

The problem isn’t with genuine inquiry into genocides — mass killings are often poorly documented, information seems frequently suppressed in an organized fashion after the fact, and witnesses tend to be close-mouthed, making what actually happened hard to reconstruct, though something dire seems clearly to have occurred. The problem is more with people who overtly deny the genocide, but who appear to be political entrepreneurs actually trying to mobilize support by trying to get across sneeringly “It never happened! Ha ha! HEY, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA! (SNEER) We’re going to do it again as soon as we put together the support! Ha ha…you can’t stop us! Feel fear of us.!” Creating fear in the victim group to realize some political or material gain, rather than repeating the genocide in actuality, seems the commonest motive, but risk of real mass violence is dangerously high in many cases.

There tends to be enough of the “it never happened and we’re gonna do it again if you don’t give us something!” around as to make things difficult for more neutral inquirers. Worse, it can be hard to assess internal unexpressed motives well until one knows the parties for some time, which, along with understandable hypersensitivity of residual populations of victim groups, adds to the problem.

I would like to be clear that I base the foregoing comments not just on the familiar Holocaust denial issue, but on the trouble finding out exactly what happened in Uganda under Idi Amin, with the Herero Rebellion in then German South West Africa, to the Armenians in 1915, to the Cambodians recently, for different reasons to the indigenous population of Mexico, etc. etc.

All I can propose is that while genocides and partial-genocides can be very hard to reconstruct in detail, one area that could be productively explored by academics, where accurate information is still available to the careful researcher in proportion to the amount of work expended, and that may turn out to be helpful with the resolution of the “denial of genocide” issue, is the long term social and psychological aftermath (as opposed to the original implementation) of genocidal episodes. This would include the phenomena of, and multiple reasons for, denial, and particularly political entrepreneurs’ using innuendo of repetition long after the fact.

The latter, in my own lived experience and travel, is a surprisingly widespread use to which the generally widely known history of various genocides are put locally. While such threats occur in “the West,” they are also simultaneously denounced there and efforts to keep them marginal have been hitherto generally successful. The same in some, but not all, other societies. I have, however, found that in other regions there exists not even introspectively derived doubt about the fairness or wisdom of the tactic of threatening genocide, particularly in conflicts with former victim groups. The historical victim group continues to be excluded from the socially defined “population that are accepted as fully human” and whose killing has the consequences attendant on killing people; threats simultaneously heavy with denial and innuendo of a repetition of a past genocide are common from local political entrepreneurs; and a whole, dangerous, atmosphere that killing a member of the victim group “has no more consequence than killing a cockroach” is virtually the societal norm (all individual exceptions admitted, and there must be some; they tend to be silent in public, though.)

I conclude that if the Crimson genuinely (that is, neither consciously nor preconsciously) had no intent to subtly use the ad to threaten others for political gain (not just Jews in a current political context but also by creating a larger “political space” for hinting at the acceptability of genocide, giving it an potential tactic against any group with which it might be in conflict and who might fear such a threat)then the matter is minor. But if otherwise it could be the tip of an unpleasant iceberg at Harvard.

With the university’s faculty and graduates so influential in the on-the-ground resolution of many important international and minority group conflicts where other, often not very powerful, peoples’ lives are at stake, such an emergent view on the acceptability of veiled threats of, or even of the actual practice of partial genocides as a legitimate political tool is worrying. One wishes, therefore, to know a bit more.

“Furnald Hall”
Furnald Hall

The problem isn’t with genuine inquiry into genocides — mass killings are often poorly documented, information seems frequently suppressed in an organized fashion after the fact, and witnesses tend to be close-mouthed, making what actually happened hard to reconstruct, though something dire seems clearly to have occurred. The problem is more with people who overtly deny the genocide, but who appear to be political entrepreneurs actually trying to mobilize support by trying to get across sneeringly “It never happened! Ha ha! HEY, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA! (SNEER) We’re going to do it again as soon as we put together the support! Ha ha…you can’t stop us! Feel fear of us.!” Creating fear in the victim group to realize some political or material gain, rather than repeating the genocide in actuality, seems the commonest motive, but risk of real mass violence is dangerously high in many cases.

There tends to be enough of the “it never happened and we’re gonna do it again if you don’t give us something!” around as to make things difficult for more neutral inquirers. Worse, it can be hard to assess internal unexpressed motives well until one knows the parties for some time, which, along with understandable hypersensitivity of residual populations of victim groups, adds to the problem.

I would like to be clear that I base the foregoing comments not just on the familiar Holocaust denial issue, but on the trouble finding out exactly what happened in Uganda under Idi Amin, with the Herero Rebellion in then German South West Africa, to the Armenians in 1915, to the Cambodians recently, for different reasons to the indigenous population of Mexico, etc. etc.

All I can propose is that while genocides and partial-genocides can be very hard to reconstruct in detail, one area that could be productively explored by academics, where accurate information is still available to the careful researcher in proportion to the amount of work expended, and that may turn out to be helpful with the resolution of the “denial of genocide” issue, is the long term social and psychological aftermath (as opposed to the original implementation) of genocidal episodes. This would include the phenomena of, and multiple reasons for, denial, and particularly political entrepreneurs’ using innuendo of repetition long after the fact.

The latter, in my own lived experience and travel, is a surprisingly widespread use to which the generally widely known history of various genocides are put locally. While such threats occur in “the West,” they are also simultaneously denounced there and efforts to keep them marginal have been hitherto generally successful. The same in some, but not all, other societies. I have, however, found that in other regions there exists not even introspectively derived doubt about the fairness or wisdom of the tactic of threatening genocide, particularly in conflicts with former victim groups. The historical victim group continues to be excluded from the socially defined “population that are accepted as fully human” and whose killing has the consequences attendant on killing people; threats simultaneously heavy with denial and innuendo of a repetition of a past genocide are common from local political entrepreneurs; and a whole, dangerous, atmosphere that killing a member of the victim group “has no more consequence than killing a cockroach” is virtually the societal norm (all individual exceptions admitted, and there must be some; they tend to be silent in public, though.)

I conclude that if the Crimson genuinely (that is, neither consciously nor preconsciously) had no intent to subtly use the ad to threaten others for political gain (not just Jews in a current political context but also by creating a larger “political space” for hinting at the acceptability of genocide, giving it an potential tactic against any group with which it might be in conflict and who might fear such a threat)then the matter is minor. But if otherwise it could be the tip of an unpleasant iceberg at Harvard.

With the university’s faculty and graduates so influential in the on-the-ground resolution of many important international and minority group conflicts where other, often not very powerful, peoples’ lives are at stake, such an emergent view on the acceptability of veiled threats of, or even of the actual practice of partial genocides as a legitimate political tool is worrying. One wishes, therefore, to know a bit more.

“Furnald Hall”
Marty

Columbia63 is so obsessed with his hatred for Jews and Israel that he can’t think straight.

I was on the ground in Israel before Palestinian violence got out of hand. It was possible for Palestinians to cross the “Green Line” into pre-1967 Israel without being challenged. There were no check-points. The only way one knew that he was crossing the “Green Line” was that the pre-1967 Israel side was generally reforested and the Arab side was largely eroded and rocky.

Just for the record, approximately a third of the world Jewish population was destroyed during the Nazi Holocaust; during the “Holocaust” of the Palestinians their population has quadrupled. How clever could the Jews/Zionists be if they are trying to perpetrate a genocide and the target group’s population is growing faster than just about any other on the planet? Check the statistics: when there really was an occupation, the Palestinians benefitted from a rapidly growing economy, infant mortality plunged, and both life expectancy and literacy grew substantially. The end of the occupation has resulted in serious backsliding in each of these areas.

There are only a few hundred members of the Neturei Karta sect, an extreme ultra-orthodox group that believes that only God can bring about the restoration of the Jewish state. Their views are very much NOT in the mainstream, however much Columbia63 thinks they are.

It is appropriate that he gets his information from both Norman Finkelstein and the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, the latter a fully-documented hoax perpetrated by the Czarist police around the turn of the Twentieth Century. Finkelstein is also an unreliable source of information on anything.

What Columbia63 and his buddies are really trying to do is lay the groundwork for a second Holocaust targeting Jews. The tactic is very close to those used by the Nazis: accusing the Jews of all sorts of crimes against humanity and treating them as subhuman. That he claims to be writing of “Zionists” is unconvincing; readers know what he means.

I am not an Ivy League grad, and based on what I have seen in the comments here, glad of it. I find it hard to believe that allegedly well-educated people can believe so much nonsense.
Marty

Columbia63 is so obsessed with his hatred for Jews and Israel that he can’t think straight.

I was on the ground in Israel before Palestinian violence got out of hand. It was possible for Palestinians to cross the “Green Line” into pre-1967 Israel without being challenged. There were no check-points. The only way one knew that he was crossing the “Green Line” was that the pre-1967 Israel side was generally reforested and the Arab side was largely eroded and rocky.

Just for the record, approximately a third of the world Jewish population was destroyed during the Nazi Holocaust; during the “Holocaust” of the Palestinians their population has quadrupled. How clever could the Jews/Zionists be if they are trying to perpetrate a genocide and the target group’s population is growing faster than just about any other on the planet? Check the statistics: when there really was an occupation, the Palestinians benefitted from a rapidly growing economy, infant mortality plunged, and both life expectancy and literacy grew substantially. The end of the occupation has resulted in serious backsliding in each of these areas.

There are only a few hundred members of the Neturei Karta sect, an extreme ultra-orthodox group that believes that only God can bring about the restoration of the Jewish state. Their views are very much NOT in the mainstream, however much Columbia63 thinks they are.

It is appropriate that he gets his information from both Norman Finkelstein and the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, the latter a fully-documented hoax perpetrated by the Czarist police around the turn of the Twentieth Century. Finkelstein is also an unreliable source of information on anything.

What Columbia63 and his buddies are really trying to do is lay the groundwork for a second Holocaust targeting Jews. The tactic is very close to those used by the Nazis: accusing the Jews of all sorts of crimes against humanity and treating them as subhuman. That he claims to be writing of “Zionists” is unconvincing; readers know what he means.

I am not an Ivy League grad, and based on what I have seen in the comments here, glad of it. I find it hard to believe that allegedly well-educated people can believe so much nonsense.

Nicejg

What I detest are people who lie about the truth in order to manipulate others to support their selfish goals. I was taught at school as a fact that 6 million Jews were killed and that soap and lampshades were also made from them. This has subsequently been proved to be lies by prominent historians and even Jews. What other lies have I been told? I have been manipulated to wrongly hate the Germans for these fictitious atrocities. There is currently also a big push by Jewish organisations for multiculturism in Europe, but they themselves practice monoculturism and separatism. They are thus also hypocrites. I will not forgive the Jewish Government and Jewish Organisations who were behind these lies and who played with my emotions.
PS: Insulting Ivy League grad’s just confirms what a racist you are.

Marty

Columbia63 is so obsessed with his hatred for Jews and Israel that he can’t think straight.

I was on the ground in Israel before Palestinian violence got out of hand. It was possible for Palestinians to cross the “Green Line” into pre-1967 Israel without being challenged. There were no check-points. The only way one knew that he was crossing the “Green Line” was that the pre-1967 Israel side was generally reforested and the Arab side was largely eroded and rocky.

Just for the record, approximately a third of the world Jewish population was destroyed during the Nazi Holocaust; during the “Holocaust” of the Palestinians their population has quadrupled. How clever could the Jews/Zionists be if they are trying to perpetrate a genocide and the target group’s population is growing faster than just about any other on the planet? Check the statistics: when there really was an occupation, the Palestinians benefitted from a rapidly growing economy, infant mortality plunged, and both life expectancy and literacy grew substantially. The end of the occupation has resulted in serious backsliding in each of these areas.

There are only a few hundred members of the Neturei Karta sect, an extreme ultra-orthodox group that believes that only God can bring about the restoration of the Jewish state. Their views are very much NOT in the mainstream, however much Columbia63 thinks they are.

It is appropriate that he gets his information from both Norman Finkelstein and the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, the latter a fully-documented hoax perpetrated by the Czarist police around the turn of the Twentieth Century. Finkelstein is also an unreliable source of information on anything.

What Columbia63 and his buddies are really trying to do is lay the groundwork for a second Holocaust targeting Jews. The tactic is very close to those used by the Nazis: accusing the Jews of all sorts of crimes against humanity and treating them as subhuman. That he claims to be writing of “Zionists” is unconvincing; readers know what he means.

I am not an Ivy League grad, and based on what I have seen in the comments here, glad of it. I find it hard to believe that allegedly well-educated people can believe so much nonsense.
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Nazis left Dutch gays untouched, says historian

Published: 23 December 2009

All homosexual acts were considered criminal in the Netherlands during the German occupation. But only men who had intercourse with young boys were prosecuted, says historian Anna Tijsseling.

The Dutch traditionally remember their victims of the Second World War on May 4th. As the queen attends the official ceremonies on Amsterdam’s Dam Square, a procession walks to the ‘Homomonument’ near the Western Church. The gay monument was established in 1987 to commemorate the victims of the Nazi regime who were “persecuted because of their homosexual feelings”.

In fact, very few of those people were persecuted in the Netherlands, says historian Anna Tijsseling, who obtained her doctoral degree at Utrecht University on Wednesday for her thesis Guilty sex. Homosexual indecency offences around the German occupation. Actually, the legal prosecution of homosexuals was more intense before and immediately after the war, her research shows.

More: Nazis left Dutch gays untouched, says historian
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Not only ‘revisionists’ challenge the 6 million figure. In some still free countries even a government funded researcher declares the number is much too high.

“Danish holocaust researcher refutes claim of 6 million Jews killed during The Holocaust

The real figure probably lies around 4 million, says holocaust archeologist Anders Otte Stensager, who is associated with the government financed ‘Department for Holocaust and Genocide Studies’ of The Danish Institute for International Studies (DIIS).

His statement is all the more surprising, since it comes not from a revisionist or ‘holocaust denier’, but from a researcher who is connected with an institute which sees it as one of it’s priorities to counter historical revisionism (commonly referred to in a derogatory way as ‘holocaust denial’), to fight ‘racism’ and to actively promote multicultural ideology.”

More:

No evidence that six million Jews were killed

I said “free country”, well that’s relative. Just a few weeks ago a Zionist Public Service TV Chief Editor tried to prevent the broadcast of Yoav Shamir’s film ‘Defamation’. For the same reasons we are not allowed to hear diverging opinions on ‘the holocaust’.

Denmark: Zionist Media Boss refuses to show Yoav Shamir’s film Defamation
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Not only ‘revisionists’ challenge the 6 million figure. In some still free countries even a government funded researcher declares the number is much too high.

“Danish holocaust researcher refutes claim of 6 million Jews killed during The Holocaust

The real figure probably lies around 4 million, says holocaust archeologist Anders Otte Stensager, who is associated with the government financed ‘Department for Holocaust and Genocide Studies’ of The Danish Institute for International Studies (DIIS).

His statement is all the more surprising, since it comes not from a revisionist or ‘holocaust denier’, but from a researcher who is connected with an institute which sees it as one of it’s priorities to counter historical revisionism (commonly referred to in a derogatory way as ‘holocaust denial’), to fight ‘racism’ and to actively promote multicultural ideology.”

More:

No evidence that six million Jews were killed

I said “free country”, well that’s relative. Just a few weeks ago a Zionist Public Service TV Chief Editor tried to prevent the broadcast of Yoav Shamir’s film ‘Defamation’. For the same reasons we are not allowed to hear diverging opinions on ‘the holocaust’.

Denmark: Zionist Media Boss refuses to show Yoav Shamir’s film Defamation
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Well that’s convinced me then! We can all go home now!
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Amazing.

You might want to read http://www.nazigassings.com.

Never heard of ‘producer gas’? The Jewish liars obviously hadn’t. They thought that diesel exhaust was sufficiently toxic to be used to kill people. It isn’t. But ‘producer gas’ was, and there was loads of it in Germany around the time of the alleged ‘holocaust’.

I knew the ‘holocaust’ was suspicious the first time I heard that people were actually being put in PRISON for merely questioning it. Or ‘denying’ it, as the Jews would put it…

You would have thought they would be pleased if somebody found out that LESS Jews had actually died, wouldn’t you…

WHO made those ‘laws’ which make it illegal to even question the numbers? It wouldn’t be Jews, by any chance, would it? How ‘democratic’ of them.

Watch ‘One Third of the Holocaust’, before the Jews ban it. They have plenty to hide, which is why they seek to silence any dissent. Which is totalitarianism.

Still, they are ‘God’s chosen people’, and we are their ‘goyim’ (cattle), so I guess we should be grateful that we have such modest and likeable people in charge…
http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Thomas/100001407627906 John Thomas

“The guy is wrong and I’m pretty sure that people can provide proof showing that. There is nothing inherently evil about questioning or reexamining historical events. ”

Yes, but that’s exactly the point – people CAN’T provide proof showing that he is wrong. He has facts and science on his side.

The ‘other’ side only have the stories that they made up after the war… the ‘gas chambers’ were delousing chambers, used to kill lice, to prevent the spread of typhoid – in other words, to keep the inmates ALIVE.
The crematoria were there to cremate bodies of inmates who had died from typhoid, and whose bodies were therefore dangerous to everybody else in the camp.
IF you actually investigate the alternative view on this, you might find out that it’s true, and that’s exactly what the Jews don’t want.

Just watch ‘One Third of the Holocaust’ or visit http://www.codoh.com. Why are the ‘Holocaustians’ so scared of open debate? Why do they put people in PRISON for merely ‘saying things Jews don’t like’?

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