And then there’s this article from 1994 about the same guy and the same ad, basically. A quote:

1993 is not the first year Bradley R. Smith chose to challenge the existence of the Holocaust. Smith, the director of the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust, is the source of the Brandeis ad. He’s been the source, in fact, of a number of advertisements questioning the authenticity of stories about the Holocaust and of the Holocaust itself. In the past few years, he’s sent those ads to college newspapers across the country–including The Crimson. We received a full-page advertisement from Smith in 1991. There was no campus furor here; we didn’t run the ad.

The “free speech” argument is ridiculous–it’s not like the Crimson is a government agency! They’re free to exercise discretion. I wonder if they’ll even let anything run explaining it.

And then there’s this article from 1994 about the same guy and the same ad, basically. A quote:

1993 is not the first year Bradley R. Smith chose to challenge the existence of the Holocaust. Smith, the director of the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust, is the source of the Brandeis ad. He’s been the source, in fact, of a number of advertisements questioning the authenticity of stories about the Holocaust and of the Holocaust itself. In the past few years, he’s sent those ads to college newspapers across the country–including The Crimson. We received a full-page advertisement from Smith in 1991. There was no campus furor here; we didn’t run the ad.

The “free speech” argument is ridiculous–it’s not like the Crimson is a government agency! They’re free to exercise discretion. I wonder if they’ll even let anything run explaining it.

The Crimson President posted an explanation, said it was meant to be removed but was not by accident
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=528828

The Crimson President posted an explanation, said it was meant to be removed but was not by accident
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=528828

No he said it was by accident, if you read it: a “miscommunication.”

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=528828

No he said it was by accident, if you read it: a “miscommunication.”

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=528828

No he said it was by accident, if you read it: a “miscommunication.”

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=528828

I don’t understand what is so awful about running this ad? The guy is wrong and I’m pretty sure that people can provide proof showing that. There is nothing inherently evil about questioning or reexamining historical events.

I don’t understand what is so awful about running this ad? The guy is wrong and I’m pretty sure that people can provide proof showing that. There is nothing inherently evil about questioning or reexamining historical events.

I don’t understand what is so awful about running this ad? The guy is wrong and I’m pretty sure that people can provide proof showing that. There is nothing inherently evil about questioning or reexamining historical events.

I recommend you don’t step foot in Germany, Austria, or France.

I recommend you don’t step foot in Germany, Austria, or France.

I recommend you don’t step foot in Germany, Austria, or France.

There’s something inherently evil about it when the proof is as concrete as a missing generation of grandparents. Wake up.

There’s something inherently evil about it when the proof is as concrete as a missing generation of grandparents. Wake up.

Inquiring about the accuracy of historical facts isn’t evil. The guy is wrong and there plenty of proof to show that he is wrong. Genocide is evil, however, that doesn’t make inquiring about genocide evil as well. There is no need to demonize the man just because he asked for proof.

Inquiring about the accuracy of historical facts isn’t evil. The guy is wrong and there plenty of proof to show that he is wrong. Genocide is evil, however, that doesn’t make inquiring about genocide evil as well. There is no need to demonize the man just because he asked for proof.

Inquiring about the accuracy of historical facts isn’t evil. The guy is wrong and there plenty of proof to show that he is wrong. Genocide is evil, however, that doesn’t make inquiring about genocide evil as well. There is no need to demonize the man just because he asked for proof.

I have to agree with pton. Inquiry is not itself evil.

If my friend says he was at the Super Bowl, and I call bullshit, but he presents ticket stubs and anecdotes about it, and I still call bullshit, am I now “inherently evil”?

Even though Smith is openly refusing to accept the evidence in front of him, so what? Why does anyone care what this guy things of the Holocaust? He is being intentionally ignorant, but everyone seems to equate denial of genocide with approval of genocide.

I have to agree with pton. Inquiry is not itself evil.

If my friend says he was at the Super Bowl, and I call bullshit, but he presents ticket stubs and anecdotes about it, and I still call bullshit, am I now “inherently evil”?

Even though Smith is openly refusing to accept the evidence in front of him, so what? Why does anyone care what this guy things of the Holocaust? He is being intentionally ignorant, but everyone seems to equate denial of genocide with approval of genocide.

I see nothing wrong with questioning events in history. In certain countries in Europe, it’s a crime to be critical of the Holocaust. But I have to ask, if something is a fact, then why must they have a law to protect it’s authenticity? Historians are constantly searching for new information about every event in history, all the way back to the theory of Evolution. If the Holocaust stories are true, then they will stand on their own merit. If not, then they will fail like other myths to come from that time in history.

I see nothing wrong with questioning events in history. In certain countries in Europe, it’s a crime to be critical of the Holocaust. But I have to ask, if something is a fact, then why must they have a law to protect it’s authenticity? Historians are constantly searching for new information about every event in history, all the way back to the theory of Evolution. If the Holocaust stories are true, then they will stand on their own merit. If not, then they will fail like other myths to come from that time in history.

I see nothing wrong with questioning events in history. In certain countries in Europe, it’s a crime to be critical of the Holocaust. But I have to ask, if something is a fact, then why must they have a law to protect it’s authenticity? Historians are constantly searching for new information about every event in history, all the way back to the theory of Evolution. If the Holocaust stories are true, then they will stand on their own merit. If not, then they will fail like other myths to come from that time in history.

Seriously, I don’t think many people believe in the “6 million” business. It’s clear it’s a gross exaggeration which is used by Israel to justify its theft of Palestinian land and now, 42 year occupation of the West Bank. Maybe 1 million or 1.5 million Jews died (of all causes) during WWII. But lots of people died in WWII, yet somehow all those millions of other (non jewish) victims are forgotten. Sad.

Seriously, I don’t think many people believe in the “6 million” business. It’s clear it’s a gross exaggeration which is used by Israel to justify its theft of Palestinian land and now, 42 year occupation of the West Bank. Maybe 1 million or 1.5 million Jews died (of all causes) during WWII. But lots of people died in WWII, yet somehow all those millions of other (non jewish) victims are forgotten. Sad.

Seriously, I don’t think many people believe in the “6 million” business. It’s clear it’s a gross exaggeration which is used by Israel to justify its theft of Palestinian land and now, 42 year occupation of the West Bank. Maybe 1 million or 1.5 million Jews died (of all causes) during WWII. But lots of people died in WWII, yet somehow all those millions of other (non jewish) victims are forgotten. Sad.

Who are you shitheads? I hope you’re not actually the best and the brightest.

Run the ad or not, but these comments are pretty insane. “IF the Holocaust stories are true,” “maybe 1 million of ALL CAUSES,” what the fuck?

Who are you shitheads? I hope you’re not actually the best and the brightest.

Run the ad or not, but these comments are pretty insane. “IF the Holocaust stories are true,” “maybe 1 million of ALL CAUSES,” what the fuck?

Who are you shitheads? I hope you’re not actually the best and the brightest.

Run the ad or not, but these comments are pretty insane. “IF the Holocaust stories are true,” “maybe 1 million of ALL CAUSES,” what the fuck?

To inquire about history is not evil. This supposed doubt about the Holocaust, however, is disingenuous. To fuel anti-semitism and wishful thinking under the pretense of “inquiry” IS evil.

There is a lot of bitterness about Palestine and the West Bank. Should the survivors and the the victims of the Holocaust be punished because of it?

To inquire about history is not evil. This supposed doubt about the Holocaust, however, is disingenuous. To fuel anti-semitism and wishful thinking under the pretense of “inquiry” IS evil.

There is a lot of bitterness about Palestine and the West Bank. Should the survivors and the the victims of the Holocaust be punished because of it?

“Keep an open mind, but not so open your brain falls out.” Should be enough said, but tragically it doesn’t seem to be. Holocaust denial serves a very specific purpose: legitimizing antisemitism. Denying the Holocaust simultaneously allows someone to call virtually every Jew who has lived since WWII a liar, and it also allows people to ignore the fact that the last time Europe suffered from rampant antisemitism, 6 million people were murdered.

“Keep an open mind, but not so open your brain falls out.” Should be enough said, but tragically it doesn’t seem to be. Holocaust denial serves a very specific purpose: legitimizing antisemitism. Denying the Holocaust simultaneously allows someone to call virtually every Jew who has lived since WWII a liar, and it also allows people to ignore the fact that the last time Europe suffered from rampant antisemitism, 6 million people were murdered.

“Keep an open mind, but not so open your brain falls out.” Should be enough said, but tragically it doesn’t seem to be. Holocaust denial serves a very specific purpose: legitimizing antisemitism. Denying the Holocaust simultaneously allows someone to call virtually every Jew who has lived since WWII a liar, and it also allows people to ignore the fact that the last time Europe suffered from rampant antisemitism, 6 million people were murdered.

I can at least agree with Miller’s last two sentences. Some 2.5 million non-Jewish Poles who were killed by Nazi’s during WWII, but it seems they are a mere after thought. If we momentarily couch the debate over the precise number of citizens killed, Jewish or otherwise, I think we can at least agree that the Jewish people have more effectively exploited whatever collective guilt a society should feel over the actions of a few. Yes we should be outraged by the Holocaust, no, it should not be a crime to question or deny whether it happened anymore than it should be a crime to question the moon-landing.

As an aside, to anyone who finds the Israeli-Palestinian conflict enigmatical, an understandable sentiment for any consumer of U.S. media, I highly recommend either the papers or lectures of Norman Finkelstein (google video/google scholar).

I can at least agree with Miller’s last two sentences. Some 2.5 million non-Jewish Poles who were killed by Nazi’s during WWII, but it seems they are a mere after thought. If we momentarily couch the debate over the precise number of citizens killed, Jewish or otherwise, I think we can at least agree that the Jewish people have more effectively exploited whatever collective guilt a society should feel over the actions of a few. Yes we should be outraged by the Holocaust, no, it should not be a crime to question or deny whether it happened anymore than it should be a crime to question the moon-landing.

As an aside, to anyone who finds the Israeli-Palestinian conflict enigmatical, an understandable sentiment for any consumer of U.S. media, I highly recommend either the papers or lectures of Norman Finkelstein (google video/google scholar).

I can at least agree with Miller’s last two sentences. Some 2.5 million non-Jewish Poles who were killed by Nazi’s during WWII, but it seems they are a mere after thought. If we momentarily couch the debate over the precise number of citizens killed, Jewish or otherwise, I think we can at least agree that the Jewish people have more effectively exploited whatever collective guilt a society should feel over the actions of a few. Yes we should be outraged by the Holocaust, no, it should not be a crime to question or deny whether it happened anymore than it should be a crime to question the moon-landing.

As an aside, to anyone who finds the Israeli-Palestinian conflict enigmatical, an understandable sentiment for any consumer of U.S. media, I highly recommend either the papers or lectures of Norman Finkelstein (google video/google scholar).

I love the avatar that popped up next to Yale 2012 in light of his “open mind” comment.

I love the avatar that popped up next to Yale 2012 in light of his “open mind” comment.

I love the avatar that popped up next to Yale 2012 in light of his “open mind” comment.

I deny the holohoax everyday!

I deny the holohoax everyday!

I deny the holohoax everyday!

Thank you! Holy fuck, people! I hope green blobo, James Miller and Jonathan Davis are the same person, because the idea that there are even three people in the Ivy League who think that this is okay is terrifying. And as for YOU, Lobster Crab, I know you know better. Questioning the proof of TICKET STUBS is a hell of a lot different than questioning the proof of millions of BODIES.

Thank you! Holy fuck, people! I hope green blobo, James Miller and Jonathan Davis are the same person, because the idea that there are even three people in the Ivy League who think that this is okay is terrifying. And as for YOU, Lobster Crab, I know you know better. Questioning the proof of TICKET STUBS is a hell of a lot different than questioning the proof of millions of BODIES.

not surprised by the rampant anti-semitism, because the internet is full of anonymous racists and trolls.

also, i also secretly thought that there was at least one person in every ivy league classroom, that given the right circumstances, would also support the nazis.

it used to be a parlor game in wwii:

http://www.harpers.org/archive/1941/08/0020122

not surprised by the rampant anti-semitism, because the internet is full of anonymous racists and trolls.

also, i also secretly thought that there was at least one person in every ivy league classroom, that given the right circumstances, would also support the nazis.

it used to be a parlor game in wwii:

http://www.harpers.org/archive/1941/08/0020122

not surprised by the rampant anti-semitism, because the internet is full of anonymous racists and trolls.

also, i also secretly thought that there was at least one person in every ivy league classroom, that given the right circumstances, would also support the nazis.

it used to be a parlor game in wwii:

http://www.harpers.org/archive/1941/08/0020122

I used to think questioning any aspect of the holocaust was nonsense, until I researched it myself and found many things that made me question what I had been told. It is clear to me now that some of the holocaust stories are made-up war crimes, like Saddam’s WMD’s, and are used as justification for Israel to do whatever they want.

I used to think questioning any aspect of the holocaust was nonsense, until I researched it myself and found many things that made me question what I had been told. It is clear to me now that some of the holocaust stories are made-up war crimes, like Saddam’s WMD’s, and are used as justification for Israel to do whatever they want.

I used to think questioning any aspect of the holocaust was nonsense, until I researched it myself and found many things that made me question what I had been told. It is clear to me now that some of the holocaust stories are made-up war crimes, like Saddam’s WMD’s, and are used as justification for Israel to do whatever they want.

For so many of you who are okay with questioning the actual existance of a holocaust because it wasn’t mentioned in some printed report… please try to remember that this was way before computers and digital cameras, before the Internet, before the age of cell phones with built-in cameras, and RSS news feeds.

Imagine if you’d been tweeted by your friends, relatives, acquaintances, and co-workers in Europe that this was happening right now – would you still deny or question it? Or would you think that those questioners are idiots?

We are falsely judging past events by today’s information-happy society. Back then, the best and quickest source of information was the actual printed newspaper. Go figure!

Accepting that this happened allows us the frame of consciousness to see, admit, and act upon evil dictatorship if and when it happens again.

Anyone remember Tiananmen Square? Who questions it? Nobody… because we all saw it. That was the tiniest thing compared to the holocaust – just with better and more immediate publicity.

Get real people – and read your history, not just the exciting sound bites.

For so many of you who are okay with questioning the actual existance of a holocaust because it wasn’t mentioned in some printed report… please try to remember that this was way before computers and digital cameras, before the Internet, before the age of cell phones with built-in cameras, and RSS news feeds.

Imagine if you’d been tweeted by your friends, relatives, acquaintances, and co-workers in Europe that this was happening right now – would you still deny or question it? Or would you think that those questioners are idiots?

We are falsely judging past events by today’s information-happy society. Back then, the best and quickest source of information was the actual printed newspaper. Go figure!

Accepting that this happened allows us the frame of consciousness to see, admit, and act upon evil dictatorship if and when it happens again.

Anyone remember Tiananmen Square? Who questions it? Nobody… because we all saw it. That was the tiniest thing compared to the holocaust – just with better and more immediate publicity.

Get real people – and read your history, not just the exciting sound bites.

For so many of you who are okay with questioning the actual existance of a holocaust because it wasn’t mentioned in some printed report… please try to remember that this was way before computers and digital cameras, before the Internet, before the age of cell phones with built-in cameras, and RSS news feeds.

Imagine if you’d been tweeted by your friends, relatives, acquaintances, and co-workers in Europe that this was happening right now – would you still deny or question it? Or would you think that those questioners are idiots?

We are falsely judging past events by today’s information-happy society. Back then, the best and quickest source of information was the actual printed newspaper. Go figure!

Accepting that this happened allows us the frame of consciousness to see, admit, and act upon evil dictatorship if and when it happens again.

Anyone remember Tiananmen Square? Who questions it? Nobody… because we all saw it. That was the tiniest thing compared to the holocaust – just with better and more immediate publicity.

Get real people – and read your history, not just the exciting sound bites.

Is ‘Holocaust’ Denial in the same League as ’911 Truth’ Denial?

If these anonymous Holocaust deniers really are Ivy League students, then we – as collective Ivy admissions officers – have failed in our mission. So much for the best and brightest.

If these anonymous Holocaust deniers really are Ivy League students, then we – as collective Ivy admissions officers – have failed in our mission. So much for the best and brightest.

Is ‘Holocaust’ Denial in the same League as ’911 Truth’ Denial?

If these anonymous Holocaust deniers really are Ivy League students, then we – as collective Ivy admissions officers – have failed in our mission. So much for the best and brightest.

My father John Weitz was a member of the Office of Strategic Services or OSS. He was present at the liberation of Buchenwald and saw the gas chambers. I can attest to this with copies of his letters and his personal conversations with me.

The reason that it is evil to question the “existence” of the holocaust is that those who can affirm their personal experiences if it are either dead or dying away and those who can claim to “refute” the facts can be converted into being at any time.

The reasons for which people want to deny the holocaust vary. Some are just crackpots. Some are opposed to Israel’s domestic and foreign policy or its very existence. Some are anti-semites (an irony as the holocaust is precisely the sort of program they would seem to wish to enact). All of them are either deluded or purposely untruthful.

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Chris Weitz

My father John Weitz was a member of the Office of Strategic Services or OSS. He was present at the liberation of Buchenwald and saw the gas chambers. I can attest to this with copies of his letters and his personal conversations with me.

The reason that it is evil to question the “existence” of the holocaust is that those who can affirm their personal experiences if it are either dead or dying away and those who can claim to “refute” the facts can be converted into being at any time.

The reasons for which people want to deny the holocaust vary. Some are just crackpots. Some are opposed to Israel’s domestic and foreign policy or its very existence. Some are anti-semites (an irony as the holocaust is precisely the sort of program they would seem to wish to enact). All of them are either deluded or purposely untruthful.

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Chris Weitz

My father John Weitz was a member of the Office of Strategic Services or OSS. He was present at the liberation of Buchenwald and saw the gas chambers. I can attest to this with copies of his letters and his personal conversations with me.

The reason that it is evil to question the “existence” of the holocaust is that those who can affirm their personal experiences if it are either dead or dying away and those who can claim to “refute” the facts can be converted into being at any time.

The reasons for which people want to deny the holocaust vary. Some are just crackpots. Some are opposed to Israel’s domestic and foreign policy or its very existence. Some are anti-semites (an irony as the holocaust is precisely the sort of program they would seem to wish to enact). All of them are either deluded or purposely untruthful.

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Chris Weitz

“They sow the wind – but they shall reap the whirlwind. Is ‘whirlwind’ a ‘Holocaust’? Just how many ‘Holocausts’ have there been – and how many more are yet to come? If ‘only’ 2.5 millions Jews died in WWII Nazi concentration camps (and NONE were gassed), does that make it NOT a ‘Holocaust’ or LESS of a ‘Holocaust’? Maybe we need a better definition?! Is Israel’s persecution of Palestinians ‘Genocide’? If not, what should we call it then – ‘House Cleaning’? (of the ‘Rebellious House of Israel’). Maybe that’s more accurate than ‘Ethnic Cleansing’.

“They sow the wind – but they shall reap the whirlwind. Is ‘whirlwind’ a ‘Holocaust’? Just how many ‘Holocausts’ have there been – and how many more are yet to come? If ‘only’ 2.5 millions Jews died in WWII Nazi concentration camps (and NONE were gassed), does that make it NOT a ‘Holocaust’ or LESS of a ‘Holocaust’? Maybe we need a better definition?! Is Israel’s persecution of Palestinians ‘Genocide’? If not, what should we call it then – ‘House Cleaning’? (of the ‘Rebellious House of Israel’). Maybe that’s more accurate than ‘Ethnic Cleansing’.

“They sow the wind – but they shall reap the whirlwind. Is ‘whirlwind’ a ‘Holocaust’? Just how many ‘Holocausts’ have there been – and how many more are yet to come? If ‘only’ 2.5 millions Jews died in WWII Nazi concentration camps (and NONE were gassed), does that make it NOT a ‘Holocaust’ or LESS of a ‘Holocaust’? Maybe we need a better definition?! Is Israel’s persecution of Palestinians ‘Genocide’? If not, what should we call it then – ‘House Cleaning’? (of the ‘Rebellious House of Israel’). Maybe that’s more accurate than ‘Ethnic Cleansing’.

All of you people getting you panties in a bunch need to chill out. I don’t think anyone here has denied that the Holocaust happened. All people are saying is that questioning or reexamining specific events, sources, and facts about the Holocaust is a legitimate academic pursuit. I would think that people, especially survivors, would want as accurate and authentic of a historical reconstruction as possible. That cannot happen unless people take a critical eye to the existing evidence. Genocide is a terrible thing, but unless you are willing to look at the historical records (and that includes sifting out possible false or exaggerated accounts), you will never know the whole truth. There is plenty of evidence showing that Holocaust happened and millions of Jews, gays, Poles, and gypsies died, but that doesn’t mean all historical events are equally well documented or accurately portrayed. Believing that certain events or “truths” are simply above discussion or review is silly.

All of you people getting you panties in a bunch need to chill out. I don’t think anyone here has denied that the Holocaust happened. All people are saying is that questioning or reexamining specific events, sources, and facts about the Holocaust is a legitimate academic pursuit. I would think that people, especially survivors, would want as accurate and authentic of a historical reconstruction as possible. That cannot happen unless people take a critical eye to the existing evidence. Genocide is a terrible thing, but unless you are willing to look at the historical records (and that includes sifting out possible false or exaggerated accounts), you will never know the whole truth. There is plenty of evidence showing that Holocaust happened and millions of Jews, gays, Poles, and gypsies died, but that doesn’t mean all historical events are equally well documented or accurately portrayed. Believing that certain events or “truths” are simply above discussion or review is silly.

All of you people getting you panties in a bunch need to chill out. I don’t think anyone here has denied that the Holocaust happened. All people are saying is that questioning or reexamining specific events, sources, and facts about the Holocaust is a legitimate academic pursuit. I would think that people, especially survivors, would want as accurate and authentic of a historical reconstruction as possible. That cannot happen unless people take a critical eye to the existing evidence. Genocide is a terrible thing, but unless you are willing to look at the historical records (and that includes sifting out possible false or exaggerated accounts), you will never know the whole truth. There is plenty of evidence showing that Holocaust happened and millions of Jews, gays, Poles, and gypsies died, but that doesn’t mean all historical events are equally well documented or accurately portrayed. Believing that certain events or “truths” are simply above discussion or review is silly.

pton makes a generally reasonable argument. Perhaps people like Zundel, Rudolf, Irving, Hoffman, Finkelstein, Freedman and some others would argue (at least one of them from prison) that ‘silly’ is a bit silly to describe the violent opposition to their research of the ‘Holocaust’ by fellow ‘historians’ as well as German (and Canadian) lawmakers and judges. How about ‘nasty’, ‘vicious’ and ‘unprofessional’ instead of ‘silly’? Do we agree that 911 “truths” (or any other “truths”) should be openly investigated and published with the same objective quest for facts and that any opposition is ‘silliness’ – or perhaps something MUCH more serious? Are ‘Hate Laws’ just silly?

pton makes a generally reasonable argument. Perhaps people like Zundel, Rudolf, Irving, Hoffman, Finkelstein, Freedman and some others would argue (at least one of them from prison) that ‘silly’ is a bit silly to describe the violent opposition to their research of the ‘Holocaust’ by fellow ‘historians’ as well as German (and Canadian) lawmakers and judges. How about ‘nasty’, ‘vicious’ and ‘unprofessional’ instead of ‘silly’? Do we agree that 911 “truths” (or any other “truths”) should be openly investigated and published with the same objective quest for facts and that any opposition is ‘silliness’ – or perhaps something MUCH more serious? Are ‘Hate Laws’ just silly?

People who object to discussing history are fearful that the propaganda they’ve been taught may not be right. Truth does not need censorship, or does it?

When I was in school, the deaths at Auschwitz were 4 million, today that number has been revised to 1.5 million by Poles and Jews. But the “6 million” total wasn’t similarly revised?

Let’s make this CLEAR FOR ALL: If Jews cannot be truthful about Holocaust “revisionists” or fact noted above, then why should anyone believe what they say about the Holocaust itself????

People who object to discussing history are fearful that the propaganda they’ve been taught may not be right. Truth does not need censorship, or does it?

When I was in school, the deaths at Auschwitz were 4 million, today that number has been revised to 1.5 million by Poles and Jews. But the “6 million” total wasn’t similarly revised?

Let’s make this CLEAR FOR ALL: If Jews cannot be truthful about Holocaust “revisionists” or fact noted above, then why should anyone believe what they say about the Holocaust itself????

People who object to discussing history are fearful that the propaganda they’ve been taught may not be right. Truth does not need censorship, or does it?

When I was in school, the deaths at Auschwitz were 4 million, today that number has been revised to 1.5 million by Poles and Jews. But the “6 million” total wasn’t similarly revised?

Let’s make this CLEAR FOR ALL: If Jews cannot be truthful about Holocaust “revisionists” or fact noted above, then why should anyone believe what they say about the Holocaust itself????

The Ivy League today is a repository of Affirmative Action BS and diversity-engineering, and is not really meaningful to most Americans as an objective source of information or opinion.

The Ivy League today is a repository of Affirmative Action BS and diversity-engineering, and is not really meaningful to most Americans as an objective source of information or opinion.

The Ivy League today is a repository of Affirmative Action BS and diversity-engineering, and is not really meaningful to most Americans as an objective source of information or opinion.

Why do people constantly equate semite with Jewish?

Why do people constantly equate semite with Jewish?

Why do people constantly equate semite with Jewish?

Has anyone here read Alan Hart’s book: “Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews”? It should be REQUIRED reading at all universities. Good point, Bob. Read Benjamin Freedman’s 1974 speech about ‘Jews’ (you can get it on-line). You might call Ben Freedman an ‘Insider’. ;)

Has anyone here read Alan Hart’s book: “Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews”? It should be REQUIRED reading at all universities. Good point, Bob. Read Benjamin Freedman’s 1974 speech about ‘Jews’ (you can get it on-line). You might call Ben Freedman an ‘Insider’. ;)

How about the monumental work of another ‘Insider’, Michael Hoffman, who wrote that 1000+ page masterpiece of research called “Judaism Discovered”? Who would call him an ‘antisemite’?

How about the monumental work of another ‘Insider’, Michael Hoffman, who wrote that 1000+ page masterpiece of research called “Judaism Discovered”? Who would call him an ‘antisemite’?

How about the monumental work of another ‘Insider’, Michael Hoffman, who wrote that 1000+ page masterpiece of research called “Judaism Discovered”? Who would call him an ‘antisemite’?

Love those cute little alien avatars! Speaking of aliens….is Obama’s Health Bill ‘antisemitic’?

Love those cute little alien avatars! Speaking of aliens….is Obama’s Health Bill ‘antisemitic’?

Love those cute little alien avatars! Speaking of aliens….is Obama’s Health Bill ‘antisemitic’?

So ClaireM, would it be correct to describe the Ivy League as a ‘hotbed’ of Zionism – and other irrelevancies?

So ClaireM, would it be correct to describe the Ivy League as a ‘hotbed’ of Zionism – and other irrelevancies?

So ClaireM, would it be correct to describe the Ivy League as a ‘hotbed’ of Zionism – and other irrelevancies?

You might as well deny gravity.

The 6 million number was Jews, a group specifically targeted. Other specifically-targeted groups included homosexuals and gypsies.

Total number of civilians murdered in the holocaust is thought to be around 15 million. Jews, especially in proportion to their total numbers, seem to have suffered the highest casualties.

You might as well deny gravity.

The 6 million number was Jews, a group specifically targeted. Other specifically-targeted groups included homosexuals and gypsies.

Total number of civilians murdered in the holocaust is thought to be around 15 million. Jews, especially in proportion to their total numbers, seem to have suffered the highest casualties.

You might as well deny gravity.

The 6 million number was Jews, a group specifically targeted. Other specifically-targeted groups included homosexuals and gypsies.

Total number of civilians murdered in the holocaust is thought to be around 15 million. Jews, especially in proportion to their total numbers, seem to have suffered the highest casualties.

AE: What is the source for your 6 million number? (and your 15 million number) – or are you just (mindlessly) repeating what you read somewhere? What convinced you that 6 million and 15 million are correct? Did you get these numbers from Wikipedia or from a ‘Holocaust’ museum?

AE: What is the source for your 6 million number? (and your 15 million number) – or are you just (mindlessly) repeating what you read somewhere? What convinced you that 6 million and 15 million are correct? Did you get these numbers from Wikipedia or from a ‘Holocaust’ museum?

AE: What is the source for your 6 million number? (and your 15 million number) – or are you just (mindlessly) repeating what you read somewhere? What convinced you that 6 million and 15 million are correct? Did you get these numbers from Wikipedia or from a ‘Holocaust’ museum?

WWII ended in 1945. I’m not sure how else you would obtain information such as death tolls and casualty figures other than “repeating what you read somewhere”. I’m sure your allusions to Alan Hart or Michael Hoffman are anything but mindless. I’m also surprised Logic and Rhetoric never taught you the virtue of a full stop.

WWII ended in 1945. I’m not sure how else you would obtain information such as death tolls and casualty figures other than “repeating what you read somewhere”. I’m sure your allusions to Alan Hart or Michael Hoffman are anything but mindless. I’m also surprised Logic and Rhetoric never taught you the virtue of a full stop.

Columbia2011: You have a long way to go before you get to 2011, never mind getting to where I am. In the meantime, there are people who have extrapolated from the approximate number of Jews alive in Germany before WWII (the Germans are meticulous record-keepers) and have come to the conclusion that there were far less than 6 million Jews in Germany when WWII started. Use Google to find them. You will find the number of Jewish casualties estimated between 1.5 million to the ‘magical’ 6 million of the ADL and similar organizations. Have you considered that the 6 million figure may have been manufactured by the ‘Holocaust Industry’ propaganda machine (learned from Goebbels)? See Norman Finkelstein’s book “The Holocaust Industry” for more details. Those were not allusions to Hart and Hoffman – those were direct references to their published works. You’re right, those references were not mindless (I don’t do mindless). The references to Zundel, Rudolf, Irving and Freedman were also not mindless. The virtue of a full stop only occurs at a STOP sign! The benefit of all punctuation is greatly exaggerated.

Columbia2011: You have a long way to go before you get to 2011, never mind getting to where I am. In the meantime, there are people who have extrapolated from the approximate number of Jews alive in Germany before WWII (the Germans are meticulous record-keepers) and have come to the conclusion that there were far less than 6 million Jews in Germany when WWII started. Use Google to find them. You will find the number of Jewish casualties estimated between 1.5 million to the ‘magical’ 6 million of the ADL and similar organizations. Have you considered that the 6 million figure may have been manufactured by the ‘Holocaust Industry’ propaganda machine (learned from Goebbels)? See Norman Finkelstein’s book “The Holocaust Industry” for more details. Those were not allusions to Hart and Hoffman – those were direct references to their published works. You’re right, those references were not mindless (I don’t do mindless). The references to Zundel, Rudolf, Irving and Freedman were also not mindless. The virtue of a full stop only occurs at a STOP sign! The benefit of all punctuation is greatly exaggerated.

Columbia2011: You have a long way to go before you get to 2011, never mind getting to where I am. In the meantime, there are people who have extrapolated from the approximate number of Jews alive in Germany before WWII (the Germans are meticulous record-keepers) and have come to the conclusion that there were far less than 6 million Jews in Germany when WWII started. Use Google to find them. You will find the number of Jewish casualties estimated between 1.5 million to the ‘magical’ 6 million of the ADL and similar organizations. Have you considered that the 6 million figure may have been manufactured by the ‘Holocaust Industry’ propaganda machine (learned from Goebbels)? See Norman Finkelstein’s book “The Holocaust Industry” for more details. Those were not allusions to Hart and Hoffman – those were direct references to their published works. You’re right, those references were not mindless (I don’t do mindless). The references to Zundel, Rudolf, Irving and Freedman were also not mindless. The virtue of a full stop only occurs at a STOP sign! The benefit of all punctuation is greatly exaggerated.

Why not question the holocaust? Individuals and groups question evolution, or at least choose their place in the continuum.

Boy if I could sit down with Mr. Smith, the Flat-Eathers, some religious fundamentalists, and my best friend Mr. Jack Daniels…. it would make for a spectacular night. I’ll entertain a good conspiracy theory every now and then…. like when my sandwich from Wendy’s had mayonase when I ordered without….. OR DID IT?? AHHHH!

Ok, back to middleclassville. G’day!

Why not question the holocaust? Individuals and groups question evolution, or at least choose their place in the continuum.

Boy if I could sit down with Mr. Smith, the Flat-Eathers, some religious fundamentalists, and my best friend Mr. Jack Daniels…. it would make for a spectacular night. I’ll entertain a good conspiracy theory every now and then…. like when my sandwich from Wendy’s had mayonase when I ordered without….. OR DID IT?? AHHHH!

Ok, back to middleclassville. G’day!

Why not question the holocaust? Individuals and groups question evolution, or at least choose their place in the continuum.

Boy if I could sit down with Mr. Smith, the Flat-Eathers, some religious fundamentalists, and my best friend Mr. Jack Daniels…. it would make for a spectacular night. I’ll entertain a good conspiracy theory every now and then…. like when my sandwich from Wendy’s had mayonase when I ordered without….. OR DID IT?? AHHHH!

Ok, back to middleclassville. G’day!

Hey, sam, I think your long relationship with Jack Daniels & Co has had some unfortunate, unintended consequences. You Aussies are all alike! I smell shrimp, burning on your Barbie! I find exclamation marks to be the most useful punctuation! Smileys are good, too! :)

Actually, I think it’s far more useful to question the ‘Official’ 911 Fairytale than the ‘Holocaust’.

Hey, sam, I think your long relationship with Jack Daniels & Co has had some unfortunate, unintended consequences. You Aussies are all alike! I smell shrimp, burning on your Barbie! I find exclamation marks to be the most useful punctuation! Smileys are good, too! :)

Actually, I think it’s far more useful to question the ‘Official’ 911 Fairytale than the ‘Holocaust’.

Shame on you, Columbia 63. I doubt there’s any point in persuading you since you are clearly an old racist who sought this argument out, but it’s especially abhorrent that you are attempting to disguise your base hate speech as some kind of intellectual debate (which is exactly what is wrong with Holocaust deniers). So I can’t help but say something so I don’t have an aneurysm.

1. The 6 million Jews who died didn’t just come from Germany, but all over Europe and its colonies, and the fact that you even claimed that exposes either your willful ignorance or malicious intent to distort informatin. You think throwing names around will lend legitimacy to your lunacy — but you are just showing your true colors.

2. The number changed because measuring the sheer magnitude of the death took a long, long time and the effort was extremely widespread. Jews were murdered all over Europe in concentration camps, shot randomly in the streets and at death orgies like Baba Yar, tortured, died of diseases in ghettos; entire villages were razed to the ground to disappear from history. There are exhaustive records of these atrocities, including official documents and personal accounts in journals of both victims and perpetrators.

3. Nor are the numbers even the point. The systematic and cool-headed plan to destroy an entire people, beginning with discriminatory laws forbidding Jews to own businesses, to go to school, to marry non-Jews, to walk on the sidewalk — all very specifically articulated in legal documents and RECORDED SESSIONS of Final Solution meetings — is the point. It was a rational, calculated plot to not only kill but thoroughly degrade a specified ethnic/religious group to below the baseline of humanity.

In short, that is why denying the Holocaust is not simply questioning history. The proof is not a bunch of fabricated photos and accounts of lying survivors as they would have you believe, but exhaustive records from all witnesses of a major upheaval in history. Holocaust deniers deliberately ignore the evidence so they can pretend their simple-minded, malicious bigotry is simply a quest for truth (much like the current “birther” movement). I won’t read your response to this because I know nothing would bring you out of your plainly stupid hatred.

Shame on you, Columbia 63. I doubt there’s any point in persuading you since you are clearly an old racist who sought this argument out, but it’s especially abhorrent that you are attempting to disguise your base hate speech as some kind of intellectual debate (which is exactly what is wrong with Holocaust deniers). So I can’t help but say something so I don’t have an aneurysm.

1. The 6 million Jews who died didn’t just come from Germany, but all over Europe and its colonies, and the fact that you even claimed that exposes either your willful ignorance or malicious intent to distort informatin. You think throwing names around will lend legitimacy to your lunacy — but you are just showing your true colors.

2. The number changed because measuring the sheer magnitude of the death took a long, long time and the effort was extremely widespread. Jews were murdered all over Europe in concentration camps, shot randomly in the streets and at death orgies like Baba Yar, tortured, died of diseases in ghettos; entire villages were razed to the ground to disappear from history. There are exhaustive records of these atrocities, including official documents and personal accounts in journals of both victims and perpetrators.

3. Nor are the numbers even the point. The systematic and cool-headed plan to destroy an entire people, beginning with discriminatory laws forbidding Jews to own businesses, to go to school, to marry non-Jews, to walk on the sidewalk — all very specifically articulated in legal documents and RECORDED SESSIONS of Final Solution meetings — is the point. It was a rational, calculated plot to not only kill but thoroughly degrade a specified ethnic/religious group to below the baseline of humanity.

In short, that is why denying the Holocaust is not simply questioning history. The proof is not a bunch of fabricated photos and accounts of lying survivors as they would have you believe, but exhaustive records from all witnesses of a major upheaval in history. Holocaust deniers deliberately ignore the evidence so they can pretend their simple-minded, malicious bigotry is simply a quest for truth (much like the current “birther” movement). I won’t read your response to this because I know nothing would bring you out of your plainly stupid hatred.

Shame on you, Columbia 63. I doubt there’s any point in persuading you since you are clearly an old racist who sought this argument out, but it’s especially abhorrent that you are attempting to disguise your base hate speech as some kind of intellectual debate (which is exactly what is wrong with Holocaust deniers). So I can’t help but say something so I don’t have an aneurysm.

1. The 6 million Jews who died didn’t just come from Germany, but all over Europe and its colonies, and the fact that you even claimed that exposes either your willful ignorance or malicious intent to distort informatin. You think throwing names around will lend legitimacy to your lunacy — but you are just showing your true colors.

2. The number changed because measuring the sheer magnitude of the death took a long, long time and the effort was extremely widespread. Jews were murdered all over Europe in concentration camps, shot randomly in the streets and at death orgies like Baba Yar, tortured, died of diseases in ghettos; entire villages were razed to the ground to disappear from history. There are exhaustive records of these atrocities, including official documents and personal accounts in journals of both victims and perpetrators.

3. Nor are the numbers even the point. The systematic and cool-headed plan to destroy an entire people, beginning with discriminatory laws forbidding Jews to own businesses, to go to school, to marry non-Jews, to walk on the sidewalk — all very specifically articulated in legal documents and RECORDED SESSIONS of Final Solution meetings — is the point. It was a rational, calculated plot to not only kill but thoroughly degrade a specified ethnic/religious group to below the baseline of humanity.

In short, that is why denying the Holocaust is not simply questioning history. The proof is not a bunch of fabricated photos and accounts of lying survivors as they would have you believe, but exhaustive records from all witnesses of a major upheaval in history. Holocaust deniers deliberately ignore the evidence so they can pretend their simple-minded, malicious bigotry is simply a quest for truth (much like the current “birther” movement). I won’t read your response to this because I know nothing would bring you out of your plainly stupid hatred.

pton and I seem to be in the same boat. My analogy to the Super Bowl was merely to ease the tension that exists when talking about the Holocaust as an event.

The problem, as some have pointed out, is that often academic research into the Holocaust has been, and is still today, used as a guise for anti-Jewish means. However, that hardly means ALL academic inquiry into the topic is such a guise.

What I think isn’t be articulated enough by people in favor of more study of this particular part of history is that there is nothing we’re hoping to find out. A real academic inquiry doesn’t look to prove a predefined hypothesis, but rather gathers facts regardless of their nature.

Personally, I despise historical events that become warped and the truth is buried (Thanksgiving anyone?). I very much doubt that is the case with the Holocaust, but why NOT do as much research as is possible into one of the defining events of the past 100 years? This doesn’t meant I deny, condone, or otherwise cast an opinion on the event. As a separate matter, my feelings toward it are that it was one of the most disgusting events in history.

pton and I seem to be in the same boat. My analogy to the Super Bowl was merely to ease the tension that exists when talking about the Holocaust as an event.

The problem, as some have pointed out, is that often academic research into the Holocaust has been, and is still today, used as a guise for anti-Jewish means. However, that hardly means ALL academic inquiry into the topic is such a guise.

What I think isn’t be articulated enough by people in favor of more study of this particular part of history is that there is nothing we’re hoping to find out. A real academic inquiry doesn’t look to prove a predefined hypothesis, but rather gathers facts regardless of their nature.

Personally, I despise historical events that become warped and the truth is buried (Thanksgiving anyone?). I very much doubt that is the case with the Holocaust, but why NOT do as much research as is possible into one of the defining events of the past 100 years? This doesn’t meant I deny, condone, or otherwise cast an opinion on the event. As a separate matter, my feelings toward it are that it was one of the most disgusting events in history.

Notice how BC 2011 referred to someone as a racist for raising questions about a brutal war in which over 50 million people perished. He goes on to use language like bigotry and hatred. To even further his position, he compares historians to the “birther” movement. These words have been thrown around with little regard since the end of the war and the Nuremberg Trials. Tactics like this are continually used to discourage any discussion about the events.

People have always had questions about the actions of not only Germany, but the Allied forces as well. Millions and millions of innocent people met their timely demise all through Europe in the 1940′s. Rhetorical labels like “racist” only stifle understanding.

Notice how BC 2011 referred to someone as a racist for raising questions about a brutal war in which over 50 million people perished. He goes on to use language like bigotry and hatred. To even further his position, he compares historians to the “birther” movement. These words have been thrown around with little regard since the end of the war and the Nuremberg Trials. Tactics like this are continually used to discourage any discussion about the events.

People have always had questions about the actions of not only Germany, but the Allied forces as well. Millions and millions of innocent people met their timely demise all through Europe in the 1940′s. Rhetorical labels like “racist” only stifle understanding.

Notice how BC 2011 referred to someone as a racist for raising questions about a brutal war in which over 50 million people perished. He goes on to use language like bigotry and hatred. To even further his position, he compares historians to the “birther” movement. These words have been thrown around with little regard since the end of the war and the Nuremberg Trials. Tactics like this are continually used to discourage any discussion about the events.

People have always had questions about the actions of not only Germany, but the Allied forces as well. Millions and millions of innocent people met their timely demise all through Europe in the 1940′s. Rhetorical labels like “racist” only stifle understanding.

The predicament and tragedy for authentic Jews is that some unscrupulous Zionists have seized on the horrible actions of Hitler’s Nazis against Jews to fabricate an entire industry (“The Holocaust Industry”), which they use to shield their diabolical actions from any criticism – by Jews and non-Jews. They put those guilt-ridden 2nd generation Germans under the hammer of their ‘antisemitism’ threat, while extorting $billions of “Wiedergutmachen” penance payments. Meanwhile, they get away with murder and other ghastly actions against an imprisoned Palestinian population, which they treat worse than cattle. Any thinking Jews who openly object to their diabolical behavior are labeled “self-loathing” and are threatened with persecution (Finkelstein and MANY others) and ostracism from their Jewish communities. How nasty can they get? Unfortunately, there are many like BC2011 who have been tricked and victimized by these Zionists to defend the indefensible and lash out at their critics with unequaled venom and irrationality. Unfortunately, when the chickens come home to roost (and they will), Jews, as usual, will be on the receiving end of another holocaust. Is anyone going to bother to separate Jews from Zionists? No wonder Alan Hart wrote that Zionism is the real enemy of the Jews. BINGO! Benjamin Freedman knew very well what those Zionists have been ‘up to’ for a very long time – and he warned Americans in his 1961, 1974 and other speeches. They were ‘up to’ no good again – on 911! (and on MANY other occasions).

The predicament and tragedy for authentic Jews is that some unscrupulous Zionists have seized on the horrible actions of Hitler’s Nazis against Jews to fabricate an entire industry (“The Holocaust Industry”), which they use to shield their diabolical actions from any criticism – by Jews and non-Jews. They put those guilt-ridden 2nd generation Germans under the hammer of their ‘antisemitism’ threat, while extorting $billions of “Wiedergutmachen” penance payments. Meanwhile, they get away with murder and other ghastly actions against an imprisoned Palestinian population, which they treat worse than cattle. Any thinking Jews who openly object to their diabolical behavior are labeled “self-loathing” and are threatened with persecution (Finkelstein and MANY others) and ostracism from their Jewish communities. How nasty can they get? Unfortunately, there are many like BC2011 who have been tricked and victimized by these Zionists to defend the indefensible and lash out at their critics with unequaled venom and irrationality. Unfortunately, when the chickens come home to roost (and they will), Jews, as usual, will be on the receiving end of another holocaust. Is anyone going to bother to separate Jews from Zionists? No wonder Alan Hart wrote that Zionism is the real enemy of the Jews. BINGO! Benjamin Freedman knew very well what those Zionists have been ‘up to’ for a very long time – and he warned Americans in his 1961, 1974 and other speeches. They were ‘up to’ no good again – on 911! (and on MANY other occasions).

The predicament and tragedy for authentic Jews is that some unscrupulous Zionists have seized on the horrible actions of Hitler’s Nazis against Jews to fabricate an entire industry (“The Holocaust Industry”), which they use to shield their diabolical actions from any criticism – by Jews and non-Jews. They put those guilt-ridden 2nd generation Germans under the hammer of their ‘antisemitism’ threat, while extorting $billions of “Wiedergutmachen” penance payments. Meanwhile, they get away with murder and other ghastly actions against an imprisoned Palestinian population, which they treat worse than cattle. Any thinking Jews who openly object to their diabolical behavior are labeled “self-loathing” and are threatened with persecution (Finkelstein and MANY others) and ostracism from their Jewish communities. How nasty can they get? Unfortunately, there are many like BC2011 who have been tricked and victimized by these Zionists to defend the indefensible and lash out at their critics with unequaled venom and irrationality. Unfortunately, when the chickens come home to roost (and they will), Jews, as usual, will be on the receiving end of another holocaust. Is anyone going to bother to separate Jews from Zionists? No wonder Alan Hart wrote that Zionism is the real enemy of the Jews. BINGO! Benjamin Freedman knew very well what those Zionists have been ‘up to’ for a very long time – and he warned Americans in his 1961, 1974 and other speeches. They were ‘up to’ no good again – on 911! (and on MANY other occasions).

I’m surprised no one has brought up Bradley Smith’s friend, the Jewish holocaust revisionist David Cole whose videotaped tour of Auschwitz and interview with the director of the Museum there (Franciszek Piper) showed that the Auschwitz gas chamber is a “reconstruction” made from an air raid shelter. David also appeared with Bradley Smith on Donahue, squaring off against Michael Shermer, the professional “skeptic” who is so skeptical that he is even skeptical of skepticism. David produced an impressive body of work until the Jewish Defense League (a bona fide domestic terrorist group) physically assaulted him and posted his home address online suggesting something “be done about him” until he “recanted”. It was not until I became aware of David’s predicament that I even thought of examining revisionist claims. That the brutality directed at him as a Jew passes without criticism from any quarter is proof that Zionists really are Jews’ worst enemy, and maybe always have been.

I’m surprised no one has brought up Bradley Smith’s friend, the Jewish holocaust revisionist David Cole whose videotaped tour of Auschwitz and interview with the director of the Museum there (Franciszek Piper) showed that the Auschwitz gas chamber is a “reconstruction” made from an air raid shelter. David also appeared with Bradley Smith on Donahue, squaring off against Michael Shermer, the professional “skeptic” who is so skeptical that he is even skeptical of skepticism. David produced an impressive body of work until the Jewish Defense League (a bona fide domestic terrorist group) physically assaulted him and posted his home address online suggesting something “be done about him” until he “recanted”. It was not until I became aware of David’s predicament that I even thought of examining revisionist claims. That the brutality directed at him as a Jew passes without criticism from any quarter is proof that Zionists really are Jews’ worst enemy, and maybe always have been.

I’m surprised no one has brought up Bradley Smith’s friend, the Jewish holocaust revisionist David Cole whose videotaped tour of Auschwitz and interview with the director of the Museum there (Franciszek Piper) showed that the Auschwitz gas chamber is a “reconstruction” made from an air raid shelter. David also appeared with Bradley Smith on Donahue, squaring off against Michael Shermer, the professional “skeptic” who is so skeptical that he is even skeptical of skepticism. David produced an impressive body of work until the Jewish Defense League (a bona fide domestic terrorist group) physically assaulted him and posted his home address online suggesting something “be done about him” until he “recanted”. It was not until I became aware of David’s predicament that I even thought of examining revisionist claims. That the brutality directed at him as a Jew passes without criticism from any quarter is proof that Zionists really are Jews’ worst enemy, and maybe always have been.

oops, the last link was supposed to be to Lenny Brenner’s book on Zionist collaboration with the Nazis…

oops, the last link was supposed to be to Lenny Brenner’s book on Zionist collaboration with the Nazis…

oops, the last link was supposed to be to Lenny Brenner’s book on Zionist collaboration with the Nazis…

The ‘Holocaust’, as fabricated (hyped) by Zionists and the Zionist-controlled Media, is just ONE of MANY actions by Zionist Israel and its agents through which Jews (and non-Jews) will be victimized in order to advance their agenda. Today is the anniversary of 911, another ATTACK on AMERICA by Zionists. It was used to instigate the “War of Terror” (Yes, ‘of’ not ‘on’ Terror) by a bunch of ruthless Zionist Neocons, like Perle, Feith, Abrams, Zakheim (a Columbia graduate, like Obama) and MANY others. Unfortunately, when the Zionist criminals and traitors are exposed, Jews are likely to be in the sights of about 300,000,000 VERY pissed-off Americans! It’s HIGH TIME for authentic Jews in the Ivy League (and everywhere else) to expose those Zionist Jewish impostors. (Finkelstein, Freedman and many other courageous Jews lead the way). If they do not, they shall reap the whirlwind (again!).

The ‘Holocaust’, as fabricated (hyped) by Zionists and the Zionist-controlled Media, is just ONE of MANY actions by Zionist Israel and its agents through which Jews (and non-Jews) will be victimized in order to advance their agenda. Today is the anniversary of 911, another ATTACK on AMERICA by Zionists. It was used to instigate the “War of Terror” (Yes, ‘of’ not ‘on’ Terror) by a bunch of ruthless Zionist Neocons, like Perle, Feith, Abrams, Zakheim (a Columbia graduate, like Obama) and MANY others. Unfortunately, when the Zionist criminals and traitors are exposed, Jews are likely to be in the sights of about 300,000,000 VERY pissed-off Americans! It’s HIGH TIME for authentic Jews in the Ivy League (and everywhere else) to expose those Zionist Jewish impostors. (Finkelstein, Freedman and many other courageous Jews lead the way). If they do not, they shall reap the whirlwind (again!).

Holy shit, Columbia63. Innocent people died. End of story. No one cares that you believe that “Zionists” may have “used” this fact to “advance their agenda” because, regardless of the exact number of deaths, no one (including you) can deny that innocents were murdered in unfathomably vast numbers. Stop trying to incite educated students into some sort of antisemitic rage, because it won’t work. Please get off the internet. Thanks.

Holy shit, Columbia63. Innocent people died. End of story. No one cares that you believe that “Zionists” may have “used” this fact to “advance their agenda” because, regardless of the exact number of deaths, no one (including you) can deny that innocents were murdered in unfathomably vast numbers. Stop trying to incite educated students into some sort of antisemitic rage, because it won’t work. Please get off the internet. Thanks.

Holy shit, Columbia63. Innocent people died. End of story. No one cares that you believe that “Zionists” may have “used” this fact to “advance their agenda” because, regardless of the exact number of deaths, no one (including you) can deny that innocents were murdered in unfathomably vast numbers. Stop trying to incite educated students into some sort of antisemitic rage, because it won’t work. Please get off the internet. Thanks.

elseY11:

Where did I deny that millions of innocent people (including Jews) died during Hitler’s reign? ‘unfathomably vast numbers’? NO! I’m not trying to incite ‘educated’ students into anything. I’m encouraging them (and anyone else) to educate themselves about Zionism and to learn to tell the difference between a Zionist and a Jew. Benjamin Freedman, a Jew and former insider of the corridors of power, revealed much about ‘Jews’ and Zionism that is as yet unknown to these ‘educated’ students. The education they will get from people like Freedman, Finkelstein, Hart, Hoffman and others, may well save their lives in the future!

You are an ignoramus! Get educated about Zionism and Judaism and learn to tell the difference. Check out Neturei Karta True Torah Jews – they have a website. They say: “Zionism is Nazism”.

elseY11:

Where did I deny that millions of innocent people (including Jews) died during Hitler’s reign? ‘unfathomably vast numbers’? NO! I’m not trying to incite ‘educated’ students into anything. I’m encouraging them (and anyone else) to educate themselves about Zionism and to learn to tell the difference between a Zionist and a Jew. Benjamin Freedman, a Jew and former insider of the corridors of power, revealed much about ‘Jews’ and Zionism that is as yet unknown to these ‘educated’ students. The education they will get from people like Freedman, Finkelstein, Hart, Hoffman and others, may well save their lives in the future!

You are an ignoramus! Get educated about Zionism and Judaism and learn to tell the difference. Check out Neturei Karta True Torah Jews – they have a website. They say: “Zionism is Nazism”.

elseY11:

Where did I deny that millions of innocent people (including Jews) died during Hitler’s reign? ‘unfathomably vast numbers’? NO! I’m not trying to incite ‘educated’ students into anything. I’m encouraging them (and anyone else) to educate themselves about Zionism and to learn to tell the difference between a Zionist and a Jew. Benjamin Freedman, a Jew and former insider of the corridors of power, revealed much about ‘Jews’ and Zionism that is as yet unknown to these ‘educated’ students. The education they will get from people like Freedman, Finkelstein, Hart, Hoffman and others, may well save their lives in the future!

You are an ignoramus! Get educated about Zionism and Judaism and learn to tell the difference. Check out Neturei Karta True Torah Jews – they have a website. They say: “Zionism is Nazism”.

I don’t know who this Anne Frank is, but I’m sure she had it coming.

I don’t know who this Anne Frank is, but I’m sure she had it coming.

I don’t know who this Anne Frank is, but I’m sure she had it coming.

In Jewish researcher David Cole’s video he points toward Princeton Jewish professor and refugee from Hitler’s Europe, Arno Meyer. In his book Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?, Meyer points out that “Sources for the study of the gas chamber are at once rare and unreliable.”

In much early Holocaust literature of the ’50s and ’60′s, including Elie Weasel’s classic Night, the original French version used the word “crematorie,” but when this was translated into English and German, the translation result was not “crematory” but rather “gas chamber.” There is no doubt that a very high number of dead bodies were at the camps and were burned. But were these bodies of victims who had just been emptied out of a homicidal gas chamber? Or were they bodies of people who had been starved, diseased, or shot?

One must realize that most of the areas of these crimes against humanity were in areas which fell under Soviet control after the war. Now, we all know that the Soviets were famous for propaganda. What is ironic about Holocaust history is that while all the mainstream historians seem to give a public front of unanimity, in reality they contest the exact details amongst themselves all the time! There was much so-called evidence that the Soviets presented to the tribunal at Nuremberg which has been since discredited, even though some of them are still taught as fact in history courses.

Discredited Charges at Nuremberg:

“Steam Chambers” at Treblinka

“Electro-Chambers”

Shrunken Heads

Human Skin Lampshades

20,000 Jews assembled in makeshift village, blown up with atomic bomb

Human Soap from Jews

Regarding that last one, iconic Holocaust historian Deborah Lipstadt (i.e. not a notorious “denier” like David Irving, for example) says: “The Nazis never used the bodies of Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the production of soap. The soap rumor was prevalent both during and after the war. It may have had its origin in the cadaver factory atrocity story that came out of World War I. The soap rumor was thoroughly investigated during the war and proved to be untrue.”

Yet when I was being educated in high school on the Holocaust, I was taught, as unquestionable fact, that the Nazi Holocaust made other historical acts of cruelty pale in comparison, because the Nazis were so demented that they made lampshades and soap from human bodies.

In Jewish researcher David Cole’s video he points toward Princeton Jewish professor and refugee from Hitler’s Europe, Arno Meyer. In his book Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?, Meyer points out that “Sources for the study of the gas chamber are at once rare and unreliable.”

In much early Holocaust literature of the ’50s and ’60′s, including Elie Weasel’s classic Night, the original French version used the word “crematorie,” but when this was translated into English and German, the translation result was not “crematory” but rather “gas chamber.” There is no doubt that a very high number of dead bodies were at the camps and were burned. But were these bodies of victims who had just been emptied out of a homicidal gas chamber? Or were they bodies of people who had been starved, diseased, or shot?

One must realize that most of the areas of these crimes against humanity were in areas which fell under Soviet control after the war. Now, we all know that the Soviets were famous for propaganda. What is ironic about Holocaust history is that while all the mainstream historians seem to give a public front of unanimity, in reality they contest the exact details amongst themselves all the time! There was much so-called evidence that the Soviets presented to the tribunal at Nuremberg which has been since discredited, even though some of them are still taught as fact in history courses.

Discredited Charges at Nuremberg:

“Steam Chambers” at Treblinka

“Electro-Chambers”

Shrunken Heads

Human Skin Lampshades

20,000 Jews assembled in makeshift village, blown up with atomic bomb

Human Soap from Jews

Regarding that last one, iconic Holocaust historian Deborah Lipstadt (i.e. not a notorious “denier” like David Irving, for example) says: “The Nazis never used the bodies of Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the production of soap. The soap rumor was prevalent both during and after the war. It may have had its origin in the cadaver factory atrocity story that came out of World War I. The soap rumor was thoroughly investigated during the war and proved to be untrue.”

Yet when I was being educated in high school on the Holocaust, I was taught, as unquestionable fact, that the Nazi Holocaust made other historical acts of cruelty pale in comparison, because the Nazis were so demented that they made lampshades and soap from human bodies.

In Jewish researcher David Cole’s video he points toward Princeton Jewish professor and refugee from Hitler’s Europe, Arno Meyer. In his book Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?, Meyer points out that “Sources for the study of the gas chamber are at once rare and unreliable.”

In much early Holocaust literature of the ’50s and ’60′s, including Elie Weasel’s classic Night, the original French version used the word “crematorie,” but when this was translated into English and German, the translation result was not “crematory” but rather “gas chamber.” There is no doubt that a very high number of dead bodies were at the camps and were burned. But were these bodies of victims who had just been emptied out of a homicidal gas chamber? Or were they bodies of people who had been starved, diseased, or shot?

One must realize that most of the areas of these crimes against humanity were in areas which fell under Soviet control after the war. Now, we all know that the Soviets were famous for propaganda. What is ironic about Holocaust history is that while all the mainstream historians seem to give a public front of unanimity, in reality they contest the exact details amongst themselves all the time! There was much so-called evidence that the Soviets presented to the tribunal at Nuremberg which has been since discredited, even though some of them are still taught as fact in history courses.

Discredited Charges at Nuremberg:

“Steam Chambers” at Treblinka

“Electro-Chambers”

Shrunken Heads

Human Skin Lampshades

20,000 Jews assembled in makeshift village, blown up with atomic bomb

Human Soap from Jews

Regarding that last one, iconic Holocaust historian Deborah Lipstadt (i.e. not a notorious “denier” like David Irving, for example) says: “The Nazis never used the bodies of Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the production of soap. The soap rumor was prevalent both during and after the war. It may have had its origin in the cadaver factory atrocity story that came out of World War I. The soap rumor was thoroughly investigated during the war and proved to be untrue.”

Yet when I was being educated in high school on the Holocaust, I was taught, as unquestionable fact, that the Nazi Holocaust made other historical acts of cruelty pale in comparison, because the Nazis were so demented that they made lampshades and soap from human bodies.

Upon revising the holocaust and comparing it to other mass murders, in fact we absolutely must be on guard lest the correction of the historical record lead us to forget that indeed Nazi Germany was no better than any other imperialist European power–that is the mistake that neo-Nazis make. This is unfortunate in many ways of course, but not least because it is essential to understand the true nature of the evils of Nazism in order to see the relevant similarities to Zionism that help us to understand exactly why the Zionist political movement cannot be allowed to use the legitimate issue of genuine Jewish suffering during WW2 as a shield. The more they do, the more they emulate and in some ways even transcend Nazism.

The events of WW2 have to be seen in context to make sense, and that context is never really taught appropriately in mainstream circles. The context includes the nature of “world Jewry” in the decades preceding the rise of the Nazis. One of the most important things to understand is that the world’s Jews were not just geographically diverse, but also very markedly socio-economically stratified. What does this mean? It means in essence that despite the Zionists’ dreams (and however well-meaning they may have been) Jews were not in any real way “one people”. There were Jews of varying races and ethnicities. There were urban Jews and rural Jews. There were Jews living in countries where emancipation had been thorough and successful and there were Jews living in countries where they had not been emancipated and suffered under special laws and local prejudices.

At the very pinnacle were of course a small but siginificant number of extremely successful Jews. Not simply professionals who had done well under emancipation, but individuals who through their involvement in banking had accumulated great wealth and had naturally become influential on a global political scale. Like any elites, they were not as a rule particularly ethical, nor had they prior to the rise of political Zionism in the late 19th century seemed particularly concerned about the welfare of their less fortunate correligionists.

Where things begin to get murky are during WWI and soon after with the Bolshevik overthrow of the Tsar in Russia. The troubling nature of the debate seems to stem from the fact that the proletarian revolution included a number of prominent Russian Jews, most notably Leon Trotsky. In this light the seemingly odd connection between modern neoconservatives and Trotskyism begins to make more sense. As do the links between anti-communism (read fascism) and anti-semitism. At the same time, mainstream historians have traditionally downplayed the influence of the economic elite over President Wilson. Included among these are of course the American Rockefellers but also the European/American Warburg and European Rothschild banking families. Not only were these elites involved in the creation of the federal reserve system that served to undermine American democracy and political sovereignty, but they were also instrumental in bringing America into WWI on the side of Britain against Germany and their Turkish allies (who at the time held Palestine.)

What should becoming clear, and here I have to stop to pick the thread up later, is that we are not talking about a Jewish conspiracy by any means. We are in fact talking about a conspiracy of elite wealth and control versus popular democracy and freedom. On the one hand are the elites who have the means to influence developments on a globally coordinated scale. On the other are the masses of people who are used as pawns in the scheme. That the world’s Jews were chosen to play a major role in these events is evident. What is also evident is that they were not consulted before decisions were made that would result in a change from gradual emancipation to massive upheaval. They were instead used as were so many others to bring into being the “new world order” that we hear so much about but that often gets misunderstood–the forest of the whole being lost amid the various distractions of the myriad intrigues clouding the more simple truths.

Obviously deception and the weaving of false narratives has played a role in these developments, and we will discuss that in due order…

Upon revising the holocaust and comparing it to other mass murders, in fact we absolutely must be on guard lest the correction of the historical record lead us to forget that indeed Nazi Germany was no better than any other imperialist European power–that is the mistake that neo-Nazis make. This is unfortunate in many ways of course, but not least because it is essential to understand the true nature of the evils of Nazism in order to see the relevant similarities to Zionism that help us to understand exactly why the Zionist political movement cannot be allowed to use the legitimate issue of genuine Jewish suffering during WW2 as a shield. The more they do, the more they emulate and in some ways even transcend Nazism.

The events of WW2 have to be seen in context to make sense, and that context is never really taught appropriately in mainstream circles. The context includes the nature of “world Jewry” in the decades preceding the rise of the Nazis. One of the most important things to understand is that the world’s Jews were not just geographically diverse, but also very markedly socio-economically stratified. What does this mean? It means in essence that despite the Zionists’ dreams (and however well-meaning they may have been) Jews were not in any real way “one people”. There were Jews of varying races and ethnicities. There were urban Jews and rural Jews. There were Jews living in countries where emancipation had been thorough and successful and there were Jews living in countries where they had not been emancipated and suffered under special laws and local prejudices.

At the very pinnacle were of course a small but siginificant number of extremely successful Jews. Not simply professionals who had done well under emancipation, but individuals who through their involvement in banking had accumulated great wealth and had naturally become influential on a global political scale. Like any elites, they were not as a rule particularly ethical, nor had they prior to the rise of political Zionism in the late 19th century seemed particularly concerned about the welfare of their less fortunate correligionists.

Where things begin to get murky are during WWI and soon after with the Bolshevik overthrow of the Tsar in Russia. The troubling nature of the debate seems to stem from the fact that the proletarian revolution included a number of prominent Russian Jews, most notably Leon Trotsky. In this light the seemingly odd connection between modern neoconservatives and Trotskyism begins to make more sense. As do the links between anti-communism (read fascism) and anti-semitism. At the same time, mainstream historians have traditionally downplayed the influence of the economic elite over President Wilson. Included among these are of course the American Rockefellers but also the European/American Warburg and European Rothschild banking families. Not only were these elites involved in the creation of the federal reserve system that served to undermine American democracy and political sovereignty, but they were also instrumental in bringing America into WWI on the side of Britain against Germany and their Turkish allies (who at the time held Palestine.)

What should becoming clear, and here I have to stop to pick the thread up later, is that we are not talking about a Jewish conspiracy by any means. We are in fact talking about a conspiracy of elite wealth and control versus popular democracy and freedom. On the one hand are the elites who have the means to influence developments on a globally coordinated scale. On the other are the masses of people who are used as pawns in the scheme. That the world’s Jews were chosen to play a major role in these events is evident. What is also evident is that they were not consulted before decisions were made that would result in a change from gradual emancipation to massive upheaval. They were instead used as were so many others to bring into being the “new world order” that we hear so much about but that often gets misunderstood–the forest of the whole being lost amid the various distractions of the myriad intrigues clouding the more simple truths.

Obviously deception and the weaving of false narratives has played a role in these developments, and we will discuss that in due order…

Upon revising the holocaust and comparing it to other mass murders, in fact we absolutely must be on guard lest the correction of the historical record lead us to forget that indeed Nazi Germany was no better than any other imperialist European power–that is the mistake that neo-Nazis make. This is unfortunate in many ways of course, but not least because it is essential to understand the true nature of the evils of Nazism in order to see the relevant similarities to Zionism that help us to understand exactly why the Zionist political movement cannot be allowed to use the legitimate issue of genuine Jewish suffering during WW2 as a shield. The more they do, the more they emulate and in some ways even transcend Nazism.

The events of WW2 have to be seen in context to make sense, and that context is never really taught appropriately in mainstream circles. The context includes the nature of “world Jewry” in the decades preceding the rise of the Nazis. One of the most important things to understand is that the world’s Jews were not just geographically diverse, but also very markedly socio-economically stratified. What does this mean? It means in essence that despite the Zionists’ dreams (and however well-meaning they may have been) Jews were not in any real way “one people”. There were Jews of varying races and ethnicities. There were urban Jews and rural Jews. There were Jews living in countries where emancipation had been thorough and successful and there were Jews living in countries where they had not been emancipated and suffered under special laws and local prejudices.

At the very pinnacle were of course a small but siginificant number of extremely successful Jews. Not simply professionals who had done well under emancipation, but individuals who through their involvement in banking had accumulated great wealth and had naturally become influential on a global political scale. Like any elites, they were not as a rule particularly ethical, nor had they prior to the rise of political Zionism in the late 19th century seemed particularly concerned about the welfare of their less fortunate correligionists.

Where things begin to get murky are during WWI and soon after with the Bolshevik overthrow of the Tsar in Russia. The troubling nature of the debate seems to stem from the fact that the proletarian revolution included a number of prominent Russian Jews, most notably Leon Trotsky. In this light the seemingly odd connection between modern neoconservatives and Trotskyism begins to make more sense. As do the links between anti-communism (read fascism) and anti-semitism. At the same time, mainstream historians have traditionally downplayed the influence of the economic elite over President Wilson. Included among these are of course the American Rockefellers but also the European/American Warburg and European Rothschild banking families. Not only were these elites involved in the creation of the federal reserve system that served to undermine American democracy and political sovereignty, but they were also instrumental in bringing America into WWI on the side of Britain against Germany and their Turkish allies (who at the time held Palestine.)

What should becoming clear, and here I have to stop to pick the thread up later, is that we are not talking about a Jewish conspiracy by any means. We are in fact talking about a conspiracy of elite wealth and control versus popular democracy and freedom. On the one hand are the elites who have the means to influence developments on a globally coordinated scale. On the other are the masses of people who are used as pawns in the scheme. That the world’s Jews were chosen to play a major role in these events is evident. What is also evident is that they were not consulted before decisions were made that would result in a change from gradual emancipation to massive upheaval. They were instead used as were so many others to bring into being the “new world order” that we hear so much about but that often gets misunderstood–the forest of the whole being lost amid the various distractions of the myriad intrigues clouding the more simple truths.

Obviously deception and the weaving of false narratives has played a role in these developments, and we will discuss that in due order…

Clapping for Tinkerbell

by John Weir

http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrjwclapping.html

Belief in God is different from Holocaust belief: Death reveals the outcome of Pascal’s wager; With the Holocaust, punishment for disbelief is immediate. Along with official expressions of Holocaust belief were calls for Bishop Williamson’s renewed excommunication, banishment, and denunciation of his heresy by the Pope. There can be no positions of authority for disbelievers. After the bishop refused to retract his statements – only promising to review the historical evidence – he was removed as head of a seminary in Argentina and threatened with deportation.

This is the pattern. Once a disbeliever has been identified as being employed by someone that can be publicly, politically pressured, the pressure starts to isolate and discredit the revisionist. This shows belief in the Shoah is very important for several inter-related power structures to maintain. The Shoah has certainly been called the founding myth of Israel, but it’s the founding myth of the modern German republic too. American foreign policy is also dependent on the Hitler paradigm; Nazi analogies are always made when the U.S. State Department threatens another country.

PROFESSION OF FAITH
Group activities promote group cohesion. The rapid punishment of non-conformity discourages questioning of authority. Ritual is established to give insiders the sense of worth and security associated with membership. In hierarchical structures, ritual plays a huge role in establishing authority. Authority is intolerant of anything that undermines its credibility. The Holocaust myth is state-sponsored, foundation-of-the-German-Republic, official. It’s protected like an endangered species in a growing number of countries. As a result, when someone in a position of authority questions the myth, the denunciations come quickly to protect the credibility of those who endorse it.

The ritual is set. And we’ll see it again. It is reminiscent of the scene from Peter Pan by J. M. Barrie when the faerie, Tinkerbell swallows poison intended for Peter. Peter then gets the audience to demonstrate its belief in faeries by clapping to resurrect her. Not clapping would imply complicity in fatacide – the murder of a faerie. Any time the dying Holocaust story is questioned, we must demonstrate our belief by clapping for the gas chambers.
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Make no mistake. The Nazi system of prison and work camps, like the Soviet gulag system, is to be condemned. Many Poles, Jews, and others in the Nazi occupied East were displaced, and enslaved. Their property was stolen and communities scattered. There’s nothing admirable about that. Even so, it’s inexcusable to accuse anyone of imaginary crimes.

Clapping for Tinkerbell

by John Weir

http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrjwclapping.html

Belief in God is different from Holocaust belief: Death reveals the outcome of Pascal’s wager; With the Holocaust, punishment for disbelief is immediate. Along with official expressions of Holocaust belief were calls for Bishop Williamson’s renewed excommunication, banishment, and denunciation of his heresy by the Pope. There can be no positions of authority for disbelievers. After the bishop refused to retract his statements – only promising to review the historical evidence – he was removed as head of a seminary in Argentina and threatened with deportation.

This is the pattern. Once a disbeliever has been identified as being employed by someone that can be publicly, politically pressured, the pressure starts to isolate and discredit the revisionist. This shows belief in the Shoah is very important for several inter-related power structures to maintain. The Shoah has certainly been called the founding myth of Israel, but it’s the founding myth of the modern German republic too. American foreign policy is also dependent on the Hitler paradigm; Nazi analogies are always made when the U.S. State Department threatens another country.

PROFESSION OF FAITH
Group activities promote group cohesion. The rapid punishment of non-conformity discourages questioning of authority. Ritual is established to give insiders the sense of worth and security associated with membership. In hierarchical structures, ritual plays a huge role in establishing authority. Authority is intolerant of anything that undermines its credibility. The Holocaust myth is state-sponsored, foundation-of-the-German-Republic, official. It’s protected like an endangered species in a growing number of countries. As a result, when someone in a position of authority questions the myth, the denunciations come quickly to protect the credibility of those who endorse it.

The ritual is set. And we’ll see it again. It is reminiscent of the scene from Peter Pan by J. M. Barrie when the faerie, Tinkerbell swallows poison intended for Peter. Peter then gets the audience to demonstrate its belief in faeries by clapping to resurrect her. Not clapping would imply complicity in fatacide – the murder of a faerie. Any time the dying Holocaust story is questioned, we must demonstrate our belief by clapping for the gas chambers.
….
Make no mistake. The Nazi system of prison and work camps, like the Soviet gulag system, is to be condemned. Many Poles, Jews, and others in the Nazi occupied East were displaced, and enslaved. Their property was stolen and communities scattered. There’s nothing admirable about that. Even so, it’s inexcusable to accuse anyone of imaginary crimes.

HarvardGrad, et al:

You’ve put together (connected) some interesting pieces of The Puzzle. The Puzzle is the purpose of human existence (why are we here). The complete understanding of The Puzzle requires far more than a collection of important facts (truths), placed in their correct context. This world consists of far more than what we usually describe as ‘natural’ or ‘physical’. There is an entire universe of ‘supernatural’ or ‘spiritual’ truths, things and events, which requires more than intellect to makes ‘sense’ of. You might call it a ’6th sense’. In order to obtain (almost) complete understanding of The Puzzle (one of the pieces is the Holocaust), it is MANDATORY for spiritual understanding to precede the knowledge which can be understood with our brain. The interesting and wonderful and awesome truth is that when knowledge of The Puzzle is acquired in the necessary order, you finally begin to SEE! and there are NO contradictions between spiritual knowledge and the ‘natural’ and true history of the world and of the human race. Everything makes ‘sense’!
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What am I talking about?
…
Google ‘sons of light’. (“in lumine Tuo, videbimus lumen”)
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PS Are ‘imaginary crimes’ the same as ‘thought crimes’? Do ‘thought crimes’ deserve ‘thought punishment’?

HarvardGrad, et al:

You’ve put together (connected) some interesting pieces of The Puzzle. The Puzzle is the purpose of human existence (why are we here). The complete understanding of The Puzzle requires far more than a collection of important facts (truths), placed in their correct context. This world consists of far more than what we usually describe as ‘natural’ or ‘physical’. There is an entire universe of ‘supernatural’ or ‘spiritual’ truths, things and events, which requires more than intellect to makes ‘sense’ of. You might call it a ’6th sense’. In order to obtain (almost) complete understanding of The Puzzle (one of the pieces is the Holocaust), it is MANDATORY for spiritual understanding to precede the knowledge which can be understood with our brain. The interesting and wonderful and awesome truth is that when knowledge of The Puzzle is acquired in the necessary order, you finally begin to SEE! and there are NO contradictions between spiritual knowledge and the ‘natural’ and true history of the world and of the human race. Everything makes ‘sense’!
…
What am I talking about?
…
Google ‘sons of light’. (“in lumine Tuo, videbimus lumen”)
…
PS Are ‘imaginary crimes’ the same as ‘thought crimes’? Do ‘thought crimes’ deserve ‘thought punishment’?

HarvardGrad, et al:

You’ve put together (connected) some interesting pieces of The Puzzle. The Puzzle is the purpose of human existence (why are we here). The complete understanding of The Puzzle requires far more than a collection of important facts (truths), placed in their correct context. This world consists of far more than what we usually describe as ‘natural’ or ‘physical’. There is an entire universe of ‘supernatural’ or ‘spiritual’ truths, things and events, which requires more than intellect to makes ‘sense’ of. You might call it a ’6th sense’. In order to obtain (almost) complete understanding of The Puzzle (one of the pieces is the Holocaust), it is MANDATORY for spiritual understanding to precede the knowledge which can be understood with our brain. The interesting and wonderful and awesome truth is that when knowledge of The Puzzle is acquired in the necessary order, you finally begin to SEE! and there are NO contradictions between spiritual knowledge and the ‘natural’ and true history of the world and of the human race. Everything makes ‘sense’!
…
What am I talking about?
…
Google ‘sons of light’. (“in lumine Tuo, videbimus lumen”)
…
PS Are ‘imaginary crimes’ the same as ‘thought crimes’? Do ‘thought crimes’ deserve ‘thought punishment’?

If you visit http://www.rense.com you will SEE! another interesting piece of The Puzzle (8th Anniversary of 911)

If you visit http://www.rense.com you will SEE! another interesting piece of The Puzzle (8th Anniversary of 911)

If you visit http://www.rense.com you will SEE! another interesting piece of The Puzzle (8th Anniversary of 911)

You go BC 2011! I always knew there was a reason I was dating Barnard girls the whole time I was at Columbia…and at HLS. hahaha

Seriously though, that’s the most succinct, cogent rebuttal to this denial nonsense I’ve come across, I will be copying and pasting that for future reference whenever I come across one of these cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs holocaust deniers or “investigators” or whatever they call themselves. Anything longer would be tedious, anything shorter would be insufficient. Clearly somebody’s been learning something in college, unlike half the people leaving comments.

You go BC 2011! I always knew there was a reason I was dating Barnard girls the whole time I was at Columbia…and at HLS. hahaha

Seriously though, that’s the most succinct, cogent rebuttal to this denial nonsense I’ve come across, I will be copying and pasting that for future reference whenever I come across one of these cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs holocaust deniers or “investigators” or whatever they call themselves. Anything longer would be tedious, anything shorter would be insufficient. Clearly somebody’s been learning something in college, unlike half the people leaving comments.

You go BC 2011! I always knew there was a reason I was dating Barnard girls the whole time I was at Columbia…and at HLS. hahaha

Seriously though, that’s the most succinct, cogent rebuttal to this denial nonsense I’ve come across, I will be copying and pasting that for future reference whenever I come across one of these cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs holocaust deniers or “investigators” or whatever they call themselves. Anything longer would be tedious, anything shorter would be insufficient. Clearly somebody’s been learning something in college, unlike half the people leaving comments.

Wow this one really pulled some great commentators out of the woodwork.
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How about the fact that the Crimson should be able to run any ad someone wants to pay for? You’re silly if you tie the content of any ads to the editors. And why validate a distasteful ad with controversy? Everyone knows there are crazy Holocaust deniers; trying to suppress them only shows your insecurity. Your mother was right- just ignore the bullies. Maybe then we can move on from having these same pointless controversies over and over.

Wow this one really pulled some great commentators out of the woodwork.
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How about the fact that the Crimson should be able to run any ad someone wants to pay for? You’re silly if you tie the content of any ads to the editors. And why validate a distasteful ad with controversy? Everyone knows there are crazy Holocaust deniers; trying to suppress them only shows your insecurity. Your mother was right- just ignore the bullies. Maybe then we can move on from having these same pointless controversies over and over.

Wow this one really pulled some great commentators out of the woodwork.
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How about the fact that the Crimson should be able to run any ad someone wants to pay for? You’re silly if you tie the content of any ads to the editors. And why validate a distasteful ad with controversy? Everyone knows there are crazy Holocaust deniers; trying to suppress them only shows your insecurity. Your mother was right- just ignore the bullies. Maybe then we can move on from having these same pointless controversies over and over.

Columbia63, you’ve moved on to new lunacy. Backpedal all you want on your holocaust denial, but now you’re saying that 9/11 was designed by ISRAEL in order to get us to attack their Arab enemies. Ever heard of Occam’s Razor? Muslim extremists attack New York City, and Muslim extremists then take responsibility for the attacks. Therefore the attacks must have been undertaken by…. ZIONISTS! Of course! You’re an idiot.
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There’s a debate to be had over the Israeli-Palestinian dynamic, but even the staunchest, LOGICAL supporters of the Palestinians acknowledge that it has always taken two to tango there. Israel is a country that has been under attack since the day it was born. You can argue the legitimacy of that birth, but don’t claim Zionists are using the Holocaust to slaughter “innocent” Palestinians. They, like the rest of us, are just trying to stay alive.

Columbia63, you’ve moved on to new lunacy. Backpedal all you want on your holocaust denial, but now you’re saying that 9/11 was designed by ISRAEL in order to get us to attack their Arab enemies. Ever heard of Occam’s Razor? Muslim extremists attack New York City, and Muslim extremists then take responsibility for the attacks. Therefore the attacks must have been undertaken by…. ZIONISTS! Of course! You’re an idiot.
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There’s a debate to be had over the Israeli-Palestinian dynamic, but even the staunchest, LOGICAL supporters of the Palestinians acknowledge that it has always taken two to tango there. Israel is a country that has been under attack since the day it was born. You can argue the legitimacy of that birth, but don’t claim Zionists are using the Holocaust to slaughter “innocent” Palestinians. They, like the rest of us, are just trying to stay alive.

Columbia63, you’ve moved on to new lunacy. Backpedal all you want on your holocaust denial, but now you’re saying that 9/11 was designed by ISRAEL in order to get us to attack their Arab enemies. Ever heard of Occam’s Razor? Muslim extremists attack New York City, and Muslim extremists then take responsibility for the attacks. Therefore the attacks must have been undertaken by…. ZIONISTS! Of course! You’re an idiot.
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There’s a debate to be had over the Israeli-Palestinian dynamic, but even the staunchest, LOGICAL supporters of the Palestinians acknowledge that it has always taken two to tango there. Israel is a country that has been under attack since the day it was born. You can argue the legitimacy of that birth, but don’t claim Zionists are using the Holocaust to slaughter “innocent” Palestinians. They, like the rest of us, are just trying to stay alive.

Y11:

You must be a Bonesman – Bonehead would be more accurate. If you listen to the Neturei Karta True Torah Jews, Israel was an abortion! I suppose they let any idiot into Yale these days. Bush set a great precedent. ;)

Y11:

You must be a Bonesman – Bonehead would be more accurate. If you listen to the Neturei Karta True Torah Jews, Israel was an abortion! I suppose they let any idiot into Yale these days. Bush set a great precedent. ;)

Y11:

You must be a Bonesman – Bonehead would be more accurate. If you listen to the Neturei Karta True Torah Jews, Israel was an abortion! I suppose they let any idiot into Yale these days. Bush set a great precedent. ;)

PS to Y11:

Israel is conducting its very own Holocaust against the Palestinians. The Zionists learned a lot from the Nazis. Their ‘Holocaust’ is just a gimmick to ward of criticism, generate Goy Guilt and raise more “Wiedergutmachen” billions. Well, like they say in Hollywood: “There’s no business like Shoah business”.

PS to Y11:

Israel is conducting its very own Holocaust against the Palestinians. The Zionists learned a lot from the Nazis. Their ‘Holocaust’ is just a gimmick to ward of criticism, generate Goy Guilt and raise more “Wiedergutmachen” billions. Well, like they say in Hollywood: “There’s no business like Shoah business”.

PS to Y11:

Israel is conducting its very own Holocaust against the Palestinians. The Zionists learned a lot from the Nazis. Their ‘Holocaust’ is just a gimmick to ward of criticism, generate Goy Guilt and raise more “Wiedergutmachen” billions. Well, like they say in Hollywood: “There’s no business like Shoah business”.

PPS to Y11:

Google ‘Christopher Bollyn’ and study his website. Everything about 911 will then fall into place – like its own footprint place!

PPS to Y11:

Google ‘Christopher Bollyn’ and study his website. Everything about 911 will then fall into place – like its own footprint place!

Get thee behind me, troll.

Get thee behind me, troll.

Get thee behind me, troll.

Y11:

Is Michael Hoffman’s book “Judaism Discovered” on Yale’s Required Reading list? How about Norman Finkelstein’s “The Holocaust Industry”? Do they teach you anything about “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”? Is the ‘Holocaust’ research of Zundel, Rudolf and Irving available on the Yale library bookshelves? If still in doubt after studying all that, re-read Benjamin Freedman’s 1974 speech about Jews and Khazars. Even if you have only half a brain, things should come together for you before you graduate. Good luck!

PS Don’t let any Bonesmen get behind you – they’re probably Republicans.

Y11:

Is Michael Hoffman’s book “Judaism Discovered” on Yale’s Required Reading list? How about Norman Finkelstein’s “The Holocaust Industry”? Do they teach you anything about “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”? Is the ‘Holocaust’ research of Zundel, Rudolf and Irving available on the Yale library bookshelves? If still in doubt after studying all that, re-read Benjamin Freedman’s 1974 speech about Jews and Khazars. Even if you have only half a brain, things should come together for you before you graduate. Good luck!

PS Don’t let any Bonesmen get behind you – they’re probably Republicans.

Y11:

Is Michael Hoffman’s book “Judaism Discovered” on Yale’s Required Reading list? How about Norman Finkelstein’s “The Holocaust Industry”? Do they teach you anything about “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”? Is the ‘Holocaust’ research of Zundel, Rudolf and Irving available on the Yale library bookshelves? If still in doubt after studying all that, re-read Benjamin Freedman’s 1974 speech about Jews and Khazars. Even if you have only half a brain, things should come together for you before you graduate. Good luck!

PS Don’t let any Bonesmen get behind you – they’re probably Republicans.

The problem isn’t with genuine inquiry into genocides — mass killings are often poorly documented, information seems frequently suppressed in an organized fashion after the fact, and witnesses tend to be close-mouthed, making what actually happened hard to reconstruct, though something dire seems clearly to have occurred. The problem is more with people who overtly deny the genocide, but who appear to be political entrepreneurs actually trying to mobilize support by trying to get across sneeringly “It never happened! Ha ha! HEY, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA! (SNEER) We’re going to do it again as soon as we put together the support! Ha ha…you can’t stop us! Feel fear of us.!” Creating fear in the victim group to realize some political or material gain, rather than repeating the genocide in actuality, seems the commonest motive, but risk of real mass violence is dangerously high in many cases.

There tends to be enough of the “it never happened and we’re gonna do it again if you don’t give us something!” around as to make things difficult for more neutral inquirers. Worse, it can be hard to assess internal unexpressed motives well until one knows the parties for some time, which, along with understandable hypersensitivity of residual populations of victim groups, adds to the problem.

I would like to be clear that I base the foregoing comments not just on the familiar Holocaust denial issue, but on the trouble finding out exactly what happened in Uganda under Idi Amin, with the Herero Rebellion in then German South West Africa, to the Armenians in 1915, to the Cambodians recently, for different reasons to the indigenous population of Mexico, etc. etc.

All I can propose is that while genocides and partial-genocides can be very hard to reconstruct in detail, one area that could be productively explored by academics, where accurate information is still available to the careful researcher in proportion to the amount of work expended, and that may turn out to be helpful with the resolution of the “denial of genocide” issue, is the long term social and psychological aftermath (as opposed to the original implementation) of genocidal episodes. This would include the phenomena of, and multiple reasons for, denial, and particularly political entrepreneurs’ using innuendo of repetition long after the fact.

The latter, in my own lived experience and travel, is a surprisingly widespread use to which the generally widely known history of various genocides are put locally. While such threats occur in “the West,” they are also simultaneously denounced there and efforts to keep them marginal have been hitherto generally successful. The same in some, but not all, other societies. I have, however, found that in other regions there exists not even introspectively derived doubt about the fairness or wisdom of the tactic of threatening genocide, particularly in conflicts with former victim groups. The historical victim group continues to be excluded from the socially defined “population that are accepted as fully human” and whose killing has the consequences attendant on killing people; threats simultaneously heavy with denial and innuendo of a repetition of a past genocide are common from local political entrepreneurs; and a whole, dangerous, atmosphere that killing a member of the victim group “has no more consequence than killing a cockroach” is virtually the societal norm (all individual exceptions admitted, and there must be some; they tend to be silent in public, though.)

I conclude that if the Crimson genuinely (that is, neither consciously nor preconsciously) had no intent to subtly use the ad to threaten others for political gain (not just Jews in a current political context but also by creating a larger “political space” for hinting at the acceptability of genocide, giving it an potential tactic against any group with which it might be in conflict and who might fear such a threat)then the matter is minor. But if otherwise it could be the tip of an unpleasant iceberg at Harvard.

With the university’s faculty and graduates so influential in the on-the-ground resolution of many important international and minority group conflicts where other, often not very powerful, peoples’ lives are at stake, such an emergent view on the acceptability of veiled threats of, or even of the actual practice of partial genocides as a legitimate political tool is worrying. One wishes, therefore, to know a bit more.

“Furnald Hall”

The problem isn’t with genuine inquiry into genocides — mass killings are often poorly documented, information seems frequently suppressed in an organized fashion after the fact, and witnesses tend to be close-mouthed, making what actually happened hard to reconstruct, though something dire seems clearly to have occurred. The problem is more with people who overtly deny the genocide, but who appear to be political entrepreneurs actually trying to mobilize support by trying to get across sneeringly “It never happened! Ha ha! HEY, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA! (SNEER) We’re going to do it again as soon as we put together the support! Ha ha…you can’t stop us! Feel fear of us.!” Creating fear in the victim group to realize some political or material gain, rather than repeating the genocide in actuality, seems the commonest motive, but risk of real mass violence is dangerously high in many cases.

There tends to be enough of the “it never happened and we’re gonna do it again if you don’t give us something!” around as to make things difficult for more neutral inquirers. Worse, it can be hard to assess internal unexpressed motives well until one knows the parties for some time, which, along with understandable hypersensitivity of residual populations of victim groups, adds to the problem.

I would like to be clear that I base the foregoing comments not just on the familiar Holocaust denial issue, but on the trouble finding out exactly what happened in Uganda under Idi Amin, with the Herero Rebellion in then German South West Africa, to the Armenians in 1915, to the Cambodians recently, for different reasons to the indigenous population of Mexico, etc. etc.

All I can propose is that while genocides and partial-genocides can be very hard to reconstruct in detail, one area that could be productively explored by academics, where accurate information is still available to the careful researcher in proportion to the amount of work expended, and that may turn out to be helpful with the resolution of the “denial of genocide” issue, is the long term social and psychological aftermath (as opposed to the original implementation) of genocidal episodes. This would include the phenomena of, and multiple reasons for, denial, and particularly political entrepreneurs’ using innuendo of repetition long after the fact.

The latter, in my own lived experience and travel, is a surprisingly widespread use to which the generally widely known history of various genocides are put locally. While such threats occur in “the West,” they are also simultaneously denounced there and efforts to keep them marginal have been hitherto generally successful. The same in some, but not all, other societies. I have, however, found that in other regions there exists not even introspectively derived doubt about the fairness or wisdom of the tactic of threatening genocide, particularly in conflicts with former victim groups. The historical victim group continues to be excluded from the socially defined “population that are accepted as fully human” and whose killing has the consequences attendant on killing people; threats simultaneously heavy with denial and innuendo of a repetition of a past genocide are common from local political entrepreneurs; and a whole, dangerous, atmosphere that killing a member of the victim group “has no more consequence than killing a cockroach” is virtually the societal norm (all individual exceptions admitted, and there must be some; they tend to be silent in public, though.)

I conclude that if the Crimson genuinely (that is, neither consciously nor preconsciously) had no intent to subtly use the ad to threaten others for political gain (not just Jews in a current political context but also by creating a larger “political space” for hinting at the acceptability of genocide, giving it an potential tactic against any group with which it might be in conflict and who might fear such a threat)then the matter is minor. But if otherwise it could be the tip of an unpleasant iceberg at Harvard.

With the university’s faculty and graduates so influential in the on-the-ground resolution of many important international and minority group conflicts where other, often not very powerful, peoples’ lives are at stake, such an emergent view on the acceptability of veiled threats of, or even of the actual practice of partial genocides as a legitimate political tool is worrying. One wishes, therefore, to know a bit more.

“Furnald Hall”

The problem isn’t with genuine inquiry into genocides — mass killings are often poorly documented, information seems frequently suppressed in an organized fashion after the fact, and witnesses tend to be close-mouthed, making what actually happened hard to reconstruct, though something dire seems clearly to have occurred. The problem is more with people who overtly deny the genocide, but who appear to be political entrepreneurs actually trying to mobilize support by trying to get across sneeringly “It never happened! Ha ha! HEY, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA! (SNEER) We’re going to do it again as soon as we put together the support! Ha ha…you can’t stop us! Feel fear of us.!” Creating fear in the victim group to realize some political or material gain, rather than repeating the genocide in actuality, seems the commonest motive, but risk of real mass violence is dangerously high in many cases.

There tends to be enough of the “it never happened and we’re gonna do it again if you don’t give us something!” around as to make things difficult for more neutral inquirers. Worse, it can be hard to assess internal unexpressed motives well until one knows the parties for some time, which, along with understandable hypersensitivity of residual populations of victim groups, adds to the problem.

I would like to be clear that I base the foregoing comments not just on the familiar Holocaust denial issue, but on the trouble finding out exactly what happened in Uganda under Idi Amin, with the Herero Rebellion in then German South West Africa, to the Armenians in 1915, to the Cambodians recently, for different reasons to the indigenous population of Mexico, etc. etc.

All I can propose is that while genocides and partial-genocides can be very hard to reconstruct in detail, one area that could be productively explored by academics, where accurate information is still available to the careful researcher in proportion to the amount of work expended, and that may turn out to be helpful with the resolution of the “denial of genocide” issue, is the long term social and psychological aftermath (as opposed to the original implementation) of genocidal episodes. This would include the phenomena of, and multiple reasons for, denial, and particularly political entrepreneurs’ using innuendo of repetition long after the fact.

The latter, in my own lived experience and travel, is a surprisingly widespread use to which the generally widely known history of various genocides are put locally. While such threats occur in “the West,” they are also simultaneously denounced there and efforts to keep them marginal have been hitherto generally successful. The same in some, but not all, other societies. I have, however, found that in other regions there exists not even introspectively derived doubt about the fairness or wisdom of the tactic of threatening genocide, particularly in conflicts with former victim groups. The historical victim group continues to be excluded from the socially defined “population that are accepted as fully human” and whose killing has the consequences attendant on killing people; threats simultaneously heavy with denial and innuendo of a repetition of a past genocide are common from local political entrepreneurs; and a whole, dangerous, atmosphere that killing a member of the victim group “has no more consequence than killing a cockroach” is virtually the societal norm (all individual exceptions admitted, and there must be some; they tend to be silent in public, though.)

I conclude that if the Crimson genuinely (that is, neither consciously nor preconsciously) had no intent to subtly use the ad to threaten others for political gain (not just Jews in a current political context but also by creating a larger “political space” for hinting at the acceptability of genocide, giving it an potential tactic against any group with which it might be in conflict and who might fear such a threat)then the matter is minor. But if otherwise it could be the tip of an unpleasant iceberg at Harvard.

With the university’s faculty and graduates so influential in the on-the-ground resolution of many important international and minority group conflicts where other, often not very powerful, peoples’ lives are at stake, such an emergent view on the acceptability of veiled threats of, or even of the actual practice of partial genocides as a legitimate political tool is worrying. One wishes, therefore, to know a bit more.

“Furnald Hall”

Columbia63 is so obsessed with his hatred for Jews and Israel that he can’t think straight.

I was on the ground in Israel before Palestinian violence got out of hand. It was possible for Palestinians to cross the “Green Line” into pre-1967 Israel without being challenged. There were no check-points. The only way one knew that he was crossing the “Green Line” was that the pre-1967 Israel side was generally reforested and the Arab side was largely eroded and rocky.

Just for the record, approximately a third of the world Jewish population was destroyed during the Nazi Holocaust; during the “Holocaust” of the Palestinians their population has quadrupled. How clever could the Jews/Zionists be if they are trying to perpetrate a genocide and the target group’s population is growing faster than just about any other on the planet? Check the statistics: when there really was an occupation, the Palestinians benefitted from a rapidly growing economy, infant mortality plunged, and both life expectancy and literacy grew substantially. The end of the occupation has resulted in serious backsliding in each of these areas.

There are only a few hundred members of the Neturei Karta sect, an extreme ultra-orthodox group that believes that only God can bring about the restoration of the Jewish state. Their views are very much NOT in the mainstream, however much Columbia63 thinks they are.

It is appropriate that he gets his information from both Norman Finkelstein and the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, the latter a fully-documented hoax perpetrated by the Czarist police around the turn of the Twentieth Century. Finkelstein is also an unreliable source of information on anything.

What Columbia63 and his buddies are really trying to do is lay the groundwork for a second Holocaust targeting Jews. The tactic is very close to those used by the Nazis: accusing the Jews of all sorts of crimes against humanity and treating them as subhuman. That he claims to be writing of “Zionists” is unconvincing; readers know what he means.

I am not an Ivy League grad, and based on what I have seen in the comments here, glad of it. I find it hard to believe that allegedly well-educated people can believe so much nonsense.

Columbia63 is so obsessed with his hatred for Jews and Israel that he can’t think straight.

I was on the ground in Israel before Palestinian violence got out of hand. It was possible for Palestinians to cross the “Green Line” into pre-1967 Israel without being challenged. There were no check-points. The only way one knew that he was crossing the “Green Line” was that the pre-1967 Israel side was generally reforested and the Arab side was largely eroded and rocky.

Just for the record, approximately a third of the world Jewish population was destroyed during the Nazi Holocaust; during the “Holocaust” of the Palestinians their population has quadrupled. How clever could the Jews/Zionists be if they are trying to perpetrate a genocide and the target group’s population is growing faster than just about any other on the planet? Check the statistics: when there really was an occupation, the Palestinians benefitted from a rapidly growing economy, infant mortality plunged, and both life expectancy and literacy grew substantially. The end of the occupation has resulted in serious backsliding in each of these areas.

There are only a few hundred members of the Neturei Karta sect, an extreme ultra-orthodox group that believes that only God can bring about the restoration of the Jewish state. Their views are very much NOT in the mainstream, however much Columbia63 thinks they are.

It is appropriate that he gets his information from both Norman Finkelstein and the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, the latter a fully-documented hoax perpetrated by the Czarist police around the turn of the Twentieth Century. Finkelstein is also an unreliable source of information on anything.

What Columbia63 and his buddies are really trying to do is lay the groundwork for a second Holocaust targeting Jews. The tactic is very close to those used by the Nazis: accusing the Jews of all sorts of crimes against humanity and treating them as subhuman. That he claims to be writing of “Zionists” is unconvincing; readers know what he means.

I am not an Ivy League grad, and based on what I have seen in the comments here, glad of it. I find it hard to believe that allegedly well-educated people can believe so much nonsense.

Columbia63 is so obsessed with his hatred for Jews and Israel that he can’t think straight.

I was on the ground in Israel before Palestinian violence got out of hand. It was possible for Palestinians to cross the “Green Line” into pre-1967 Israel without being challenged. There were no check-points. The only way one knew that he was crossing the “Green Line” was that the pre-1967 Israel side was generally reforested and the Arab side was largely eroded and rocky.

Just for the record, approximately a third of the world Jewish population was destroyed during the Nazi Holocaust; during the “Holocaust” of the Palestinians their population has quadrupled. How clever could the Jews/Zionists be if they are trying to perpetrate a genocide and the target group’s population is growing faster than just about any other on the planet? Check the statistics: when there really was an occupation, the Palestinians benefitted from a rapidly growing economy, infant mortality plunged, and both life expectancy and literacy grew substantially. The end of the occupation has resulted in serious backsliding in each of these areas.

There are only a few hundred members of the Neturei Karta sect, an extreme ultra-orthodox group that believes that only God can bring about the restoration of the Jewish state. Their views are very much NOT in the mainstream, however much Columbia63 thinks they are.

It is appropriate that he gets his information from both Norman Finkelstein and the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, the latter a fully-documented hoax perpetrated by the Czarist police around the turn of the Twentieth Century. Finkelstein is also an unreliable source of information on anything.

What Columbia63 and his buddies are really trying to do is lay the groundwork for a second Holocaust targeting Jews. The tactic is very close to those used by the Nazis: accusing the Jews of all sorts of crimes against humanity and treating them as subhuman. That he claims to be writing of “Zionists” is unconvincing; readers know what he means.

I am not an Ivy League grad, and based on what I have seen in the comments here, glad of it. I find it hard to believe that allegedly well-educated people can believe so much nonsense.

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