US News & World Report Rankings Out of the Bag… Sort Of (UPDATED)

home-aloneHYP: Time to celebrate. Everyone else: Get ready to be pissed off.

Justin Pope over at the Associated Press scooped the US News & World Report college rankings by 6 and a half hours. While we vivisected some of the rankings from the the Princeton Review’s “Best 371 Colleges” and Forbes, no one cares about those lists.

Onward past the jump to the rankings that really matter, which we arrange into a handy, numbered list, because for some reason Pope didn’t do that.

Pope gave the USNWR list a lengthy write-around (his way of pretending he didn’t break the embargo?), but here are the rankings he did spill:

1. Harvard
1. Princeton
3. Yale
4. Cal Tech
4. MIT
4. Stanford
4. U Penn

11. Dartmouth

61. Clemson

That’s right, Pope tells us about the fourth place clusterfuck but neglects to mention our other friends Brown, Columbia, and Cornell. That doesn’t mean they’re not in the top 10. Or does it?

The rankings are determined by a mix of SAT scores, peer reputation, selectivity, alumni giving, reading chicken entrails, and phrenology.

UPDATE: Ivy Gate commenter Double Ivy writes that the entire list was leaked this morning on the College Confidential forum. The poster claims he picked up a copy of USNWR off the newsstand a day early, so we can’t fully stand behind it.

Some of it holds up, though. The Huffington Post story published 8 hours later affirms the rankings, and it’s probably beyond coincidence to call two ties, one a four-way, randomly. Without further ado, the alleged top 20:

1. Harvard
1. Princeton
3. Yale
4. Caltech
4. MIT
4. Stanford
4. UPenn
8. Columbia
8. Chicago
10. Duke
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
12. Washu
14. Hopkins
15. Cornell
16. Brown
17. Emory
!7. Rice
17. Vanderbilt
20. Notre Dame

And now you know.

  • Double Ivy

    This list is already all around the collegeconfidential forums… but complete. Why is it incomplete here?

  • http://Derpadoo Double Ivy

    This list is already all around the collegeconfidential forums… but complete. Why is it incomplete here?

  • Incomplete

    We’re already in, so we don’t read that shit.

  • http://n/a Incomplete

    We’re already in, so we don’t read that shit.

  • P’09

    Ack! Two terrible posts in one day! The complete top 50 is available at the P.U. Press Club Blog (link just inches to the bottom-left of this post), among many other places on the vast interwebs. Do some research. Here’s the top 25:
    1. Harvard
    1. Princeton
    3. Yale
    4. Caltech
    4. MIT
    4. Stanford
    4. UPenn
    8. Columbia
    8. Chicago
    10. Duke
    11. Dartmouth
    12. Northwestern
    12. Washu
    14. Hopkins
    15. Cornell
    16. Brown
    17. Emory
    17. Rice
    17. Vanderbilt
    20. Notre Dame
    21. Berkeley
    22. Carnegie Mellon
    23. Georgetown
    24. UCLA
    24. UVA

  • P’09

    Ack! Two terrible posts in one day! The complete top 50 is available at the P.U. Press Club Blog (link just inches to the bottom-left of this post), among many other places on the vast interwebs. Do some research. Here’s the top 25:
    1. Harvard
    1. Princeton
    3. Yale
    4. Caltech
    4. MIT
    4. Stanford
    4. UPenn
    8. Columbia
    8. Chicago
    10. Duke
    11. Dartmouth
    12. Northwestern
    12. Washu
    14. Hopkins
    15. Cornell
    16. Brown
    17. Emory
    17. Rice
    17. Vanderbilt
    20. Notre Dame
    21. Berkeley
    22. Carnegie Mellon
    23. Georgetown
    24. UCLA
    24. UVA

  • H 10

    Ah, another year, another US news crapfest. Again P’ton and Penn are overrated… Again UChicago students have a reason not to commit suicide… and Again Mary Sue Coleman is dragging the University of Michigan down with her into her self-afflicted affrimative action Hell (sorry I’m from Michigan- she’s the reason nobody’s turning down an ivy league to stay).

    US News can go to hell and with them I condemn Kaplan- damn your SAT prep! and Princeton Review who is an amalgamation of those two.

    We already know that West Point is the best school in the country, so what’s the point anyway?

  • H 10

    Ah, another year, another US news crapfest. Again P’ton and Penn are overrated… Again UChicago students have a reason not to commit suicide… and Again Mary Sue Coleman is dragging the University of Michigan down with her into her self-afflicted affrimative action Hell (sorry I’m from Michigan- she’s the reason nobody’s turning down an ivy league to stay).

    US News can go to hell and with them I condemn Kaplan- damn your SAT prep! and Princeton Review who is an amalgamation of those two.

    We already know that West Point is the best school in the country, so what’s the point anyway?

  • Cynic

    I guarantee you that there is some circular logic involved when US News makes its annual refinements in methodology. US News knows that, if there were ever several years in a row in which neither Princeton nor Harvard were ranked number one, the rankings would begin to lose credibility. Imagine after a decade passed in which neither was on top; the US News list would be as irrelevant as the Forbes ranking, the Atlantic Monthly ranking or the Wall Street Journal ranking. It’s no surprise, then, that Princeton and Harvard are perenially ranked first and second or tied for first.

    In years past, Caltech, Yale and Stanford have each been ranked first — but only for one year. Then it’s immediately back to Princeton and/or Harvard.

    Among all the reasons to be cynical about this annual cringe-fest among college students and administrators, add this one. Princeton and Harvard will ALWAYS be 1 and/or 1 and 2 because US News knows that the relevance of its annual list and the significant recurring revenue stream spawned by the list depend upon it.

    Unlike their competitors at Forbes Magazine, US News knows that college students and administrators will not break a sweat worrying about where they appear on a list headed by the United States Military Academy.

  • Cynic

    I guarantee you that there is some circular logic involved when US News makes its annual refinements in methodology. US News knows that, if there were ever several years in a row in which neither Princeton nor Harvard were ranked number one, the rankings would begin to lose credibility. Imagine after a decade passed in which neither was on top; the US News list would be as irrelevant as the Forbes ranking, the Atlantic Monthly ranking or the Wall Street Journal ranking. It’s no surprise, then, that Princeton and Harvard are perenially ranked first and second or tied for first.

    In years past, Caltech, Yale and Stanford have each been ranked first — but only for one year. Then it’s immediately back to Princeton and/or Harvard.

    Among all the reasons to be cynical about this annual cringe-fest among college students and administrators, add this one. Princeton and Harvard will ALWAYS be 1 and/or 1 and 2 because US News knows that the relevance of its annual list and the significant recurring revenue stream spawned by the list depend upon it.

    Unlike their competitors at Forbes Magazine, US News knows that college students and administrators will not break a sweat worrying about where they appear on a list headed by the United States Military Academy.

  • p’08
  • p’08
  • ViolentQuaker

    Penn = Stanford, if not in academic excellence than at least in coke consumption.

  • ViolentQuaker

    Penn = Stanford, if not in academic excellence than at least in coke consumption.

  • Y11

    WHY ARE WE NEVER GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU, USNWR, WHY?

  • Y11

    WHY ARE WE NEVER GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU, USNWR, WHY?

  • Hangover,NH

    You know, for the 11th (or 98th) ranked school in the country, Dartmouth has done pretty well for itself in the rankings. Sure the Princeton review is apparently pretending it doesn’t exist, but it is number one on two lists: Commitment to undergraduate education (which is good, given what I’m paying for an undergraduate education), and graduate median salary (also good, considering what I’m paying for an undergraduate education).

    And the Brown outrage at being lower than Cornell begins in 5…4…3…2…

  • Hangover,NH

    You know, for the 11th (or 98th) ranked school in the country, Dartmouth has done pretty well for itself in the rankings. Sure the Princeton review is apparently pretending it doesn’t exist, but it is number one on two lists: Commitment to undergraduate education (which is good, given what I’m paying for an undergraduate education), and graduate median salary (also good, considering what I’m paying for an undergraduate education).

    And the Brown outrage at being lower than Cornell begins in 5…4…3…2…

  • klicious

    *Sigh* When will one of the so-called top 10 schools in this ranking have the guts to say “no mas” to USNWR and issue a press release saying they will no longer participate in this joke of a survey. I can’t believe a mediocre current events magazine still carries any sway. Are people that shallow? If you care so much about rankings, then just become a college football fan or something. BCS rankings are messed up, too, but more accurate than this drivel. Are we really to believe that Harvard (my grad school alma mater) is a better educational experience than UCLA? Doesn’t it depend entirely on factors relevant to the individual, his or her goals, his or her tastes, his or her temperament? Come on, Duke (my college alma mater) have the guts to bow out of this nonsense once and for all. Enough is enough. This rankings thing should have died away years ago.

  • klicious

    *Sigh* When will one of the so-called top 10 schools in this ranking have the guts to say “no mas” to USNWR and issue a press release saying they will no longer participate in this joke of a survey. I can’t believe a mediocre current events magazine still carries any sway. Are people that shallow? If you care so much about rankings, then just become a college football fan or something. BCS rankings are messed up, too, but more accurate than this drivel. Are we really to believe that Harvard (my grad school alma mater) is a better educational experience than UCLA? Doesn’t it depend entirely on factors relevant to the individual, his or her goals, his or her tastes, his or her temperament? Come on, Duke (my college alma mater) have the guts to bow out of this nonsense once and for all. Enough is enough. This rankings thing should have died away years ago.

  • D12

    Odds are you don’t go there, so how do you figure Princeton and Penn are overrated? Because Princeton’s first you say that? Haha. Ratings are ratings, people need these in their lives. So what?

  • D12

    Odds are you don’t go there, so how do you figure Princeton and Penn are overrated? Because Princeton’s first you say that? Haha. Ratings are ratings, people need these in their lives. So what?

  • Double Ivy

    H10, I’m from Michigan. You must be from Oakland County. In my poorer, mid-mitten county, the University of Michigan is entirely the reason that my high school’s best and brightest (author excluded) will never escape the state. Why pay $160k for Chicago or Princeton when Michigan is much less? Or even free, in the eventyour parents bought into that M-fund (or whatever it’s called) so many years earlier.

    And yeah, this thing is a joke. An embargo by top schools (to the tune of what Stanford’s present articulated a decade ago) would be proper. However, can’t say I don’t look this thing up each and every year. What a spectacle!

  • http://Derpadoo Double Ivy

    H10, I’m from Michigan. You must be from Oakland County. In my poorer, mid-mitten county, the University of Michigan is entirely the reason that my high school’s best and brightest (author excluded) will never escape the state. Why pay $160k for Chicago or Princeton when Michigan is much less? Or even free, in the eventyour parents bought into that M-fund (or whatever it’s called) so many years earlier.

    And yeah, this thing is a joke. An embargo by top schools (to the tune of what Stanford’s present articulated a decade ago) would be proper. However, can’t say I don’t look this thing up each and every year. What a spectacle!

  • ViolentQuaker

    The wailing and gnashing of teeth after they come out is what makes it fun

  • ViolentQuaker

    The wailing and gnashing of teeth after they come out is what makes it fun

  • LSUgrad

    There’s only one that matters.
    Where’s LSU Mechanical and Agricultural College?

  • LSUgrad

    There’s only one that matters.
    Where’s LSU Mechanical and Agricultural College?

  • …BrownOutrage

    Let’s be honest, we haven’t been doing as well as we had hoped lately. I chalk it up to leadership. That’s why I’m working on finishing my degrees so I can go back and do things right on faculty. *inspired*

  • …BrownOutrage

    Let’s be honest, we haven’t been doing as well as we had hoped lately. I chalk it up to leadership. That’s why I’m working on finishing my degrees so I can go back and do things right on faculty. *inspired*

  • WhyBother

    Can we sign a petition to obsolete these rankings, please? What moron bases his college decision on what a magazine tells them?

  • WhyBother

    Can we sign a petition to obsolete these rankings, please? What moron bases his college decision on what a magazine tells them?

  • H 10

    You are indeed correct DoubleIvy, I’m from Rochester, and I admit that I’ve only known one person to turn down an Ivy League (and that was without any aid from Cornell) for Michigan. I believe the plan you speak of was Met-life, and my parents weren’t quite so prescient as to pay the couple thousand that would have cost at my birth.

    And I make fun of Princeton and Penn partly because I like to laugh at the responses, but mostly (and this obviously only applies to Penn) because I absolutely abhor the concept of an Undergraduate Business education. You can only be in college once, study the humanities or something you’ll never be able to justify studying again…but other wise I think both are great schools.

  • H 10

    You are indeed correct DoubleIvy, I’m from Rochester, and I admit that I’ve only known one person to turn down an Ivy League (and that was without any aid from Cornell) for Michigan. I believe the plan you speak of was Met-life, and my parents weren’t quite so prescient as to pay the couple thousand that would have cost at my birth.

    And I make fun of Princeton and Penn partly because I like to laugh at the responses, but mostly (and this obviously only applies to Penn) because I absolutely abhor the concept of an Undergraduate Business education. You can only be in college once, study the humanities or something you’ll never be able to justify studying again…but other wise I think both are great schools.

  • Cornell ’06, Harvard ’09

    Now we can compare ourselves to OxBridge…

    ARWU 2008 Top 20 International Universities:
    1) Harvard University
    2) Stanford University
    3) University of California, Berkeley
    4) University of Cambridge
    5) Massachusetts Institute of Technology
    6) California Institute of Technology
    7) Columbia University
    8) Princeton University
    9) University of Chicago
    10) University of Oxford
    11) Yale University
    12) Cornell University
    13) University of California, Los Angeles
    14) University of California, San Diego
    15) University of Pennsylvania
    16) University of Washington
    17) University of Wisconsin – Madison
    18) University of California, San Francisco
    19) Tokyo University
    20) Johns Hopkins University

  • Cornell ’06, Harvard ’09

    Now we can compare ourselves to OxBridge…

    ARWU 2008 Top 20 International Universities:
    1) Harvard University
    2) Stanford University
    3) University of California, Berkeley
    4) University of Cambridge
    5) Massachusetts Institute of Technology
    6) California Institute of Technology
    7) Columbia University
    8) Princeton University
    9) University of Chicago
    10) University of Oxford
    11) Yale University
    12) Cornell University
    13) University of California, Los Angeles
    14) University of California, San Diego
    15) University of Pennsylvania
    16) University of Washington
    17) University of Wisconsin – Madison
    18) University of California, San Francisco
    19) Tokyo University
    20) Johns Hopkins University

  • Orange-n-Black

    although i’m disappointed old nassau has to share top billing with that overrated factory harvard…..by having pennsylvania u, the devry of the ivies, ranked equally with stanford & mit (and above columbia for that matter!) is a complete and utter joke. don’t kid yourselves, everyone on this board is thinking the same thing. it renders this ranking completely null and void.

    so by that i’ll declare that princeton is indeed truly in sole possession of the top spot in the nation. put harvard down in the 4th place cluster f with all the other crap — hee hee!

  • Orange-n-Black

    although i’m disappointed old nassau has to share top billing with that overrated factory harvard…..by having pennsylvania u, the devry of the ivies, ranked equally with stanford & mit (and above columbia for that matter!) is a complete and utter joke. don’t kid yourselves, everyone on this board is thinking the same thing. it renders this ranking completely null and void.

    so by that i’ll declare that princeton is indeed truly in sole possession of the top spot in the nation. put harvard down in the 4th place cluster f with all the other crap — hee hee!

  • KEGGY

    @ H 10, Spoken like a frindless Harvard douche.

    Chicago is a joke if you’re an undergrad. It’s the equivalent of online self-study (my department chair’s words, not mine).

  • KEGGY

    @ H 10, Spoken like a frindless Harvard douche.

    Chicago is a joke if you’re an undergrad. It’s the equivalent of online self-study (my department chair’s words, not mine).

  • Something of Note

    The editor-in-chief of USN&WR is a UPenn alum, which may factor into their meteoric rise in rankings the past few years.

    Also of note, this is the same magazine that recommends the Kia Soul as a good car for college students. And yet, the world worships its rankings.

    Besides the tie at the top, did anything interesting happen? Doesn’t look like it at all.

  • Something of Note

    The editor-in-chief of USN&WR is a UPenn alum, which may factor into their meteoric rise in rankings the past few years.

    Also of note, this is the same magazine that recommends the Kia Soul as a good car for college students. And yet, the world worships its rankings.

    Besides the tie at the top, did anything interesting happen? Doesn’t look like it at all.

  • D ’12 (dirty dozen)

    Dartmouth’s 11th without a sincere graduate school curriculum. We’re hardly a national university at all. I suppose that means we’re really the best in the nation, eh?

  • D ’12 (dirty dozen)

    Dartmouth’s 11th without a sincere graduate school curriculum. We’re hardly a national university at all. I suppose that means we’re really the best in the nation, eh?

  • P’09

    Technically speaking, these rankings are really only a reflection of the quality of the undergraduate education at that school. Princeton, like Dartmouth, has a fairly small graduate program compared to most universities (we don’t even have a business school, unlike D). That said, having strong graduate programs does help with a school’s reputation and name recognition, and is probably reflected in parts of the methodology, like peer review.

  • P’09

    Technically speaking, these rankings are really only a reflection of the quality of the undergraduate education at that school. Princeton, like Dartmouth, has a fairly small graduate program compared to most universities (we don’t even have a business school, unlike D). That said, having strong graduate programs does help with a school’s reputation and name recognition, and is probably reflected in parts of the methodology, like peer review.

  • Undergrad Teaching Ratings

    USNews’s new “Undergraduate Teaching Ratings” were very predictable. Of the Ivies, everyone knows that Dartmouth, Princeton, Yale, and Brown are known for their good teaching. And likewise, everyone knows that Harvard, Penn, and Cornell aren’t. Not sure about Columbia’s reputation, but it didn’t make the top 20. Any Columbia alums want to chime in?

  • Undergrad Teaching Ratings

    USNews’s new “Undergraduate Teaching Ratings” were very predictable. Of the Ivies, everyone knows that Dartmouth, Princeton, Yale, and Brown are known for their good teaching. And likewise, everyone knows that Harvard, Penn, and Cornell aren’t. Not sure about Columbia’s reputation, but it didn’t make the top 20. Any Columbia alums want to chime in?

  • ViolentQuaker

    Fuck you my undergrad teaching was great.

  • ViolentQuaker

    Fuck you my undergrad teaching was great.