The Great Ivy League Snob Off, Part II:
Keith Olbermann Is Also Embarrassing.

picture-5Ann Coulter’s spat with Keith Olbermann over Cornell bragging rights began the way all great battles of the mind do — Does this Rush Limbaugh make the GOP look fat? — and ends the way our comment boards do, a degenerative slinging of acceptance rates and SAT scores eventually boiling down to one guy pointing at his diploma and screaming about how smart he is.

Welcome back to the Great Ivy League Snob Off. Let’s meet the contestants:

In the first corner: Cornell grad and MSNBC gravitas junkie Keith Olbermann, who says conserva-pundit Rush Limbaugh is a know-nothing plebe who couldn’t tell the Constitution from his left foot. He’s so dumb, he flunked ballroom dance! (True story. Check his Wikipedia.)

In the second corner: Cornell grad and journeyman blowhard Ann Coulter, who jumps to Limbaugh’s defense with an astonishingly baffling 900-word diatribe about how Olbermann is not the “scary smart” messiah his fans think he is, but an Ivy League fraud:

Keith didn’t go to the Ivy League Cornell; he went to the Old MacDonald Cornell. … Keith went to an affiliated state college at Cornell, the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (average SAT: about that of pulling guards at the University of South Carolina; acceptance rate: 1 of every 1 applicants).

Touché, Coulter. You hit us East Coast intelligentsia right where it hurts– the threat of farm dirt, and athletes! This is even worse than the time we realized Obama went to some weensy school in LA* before transferring to Columbia. Her opponent reeling, the skeletor in the right wing’s closet delivers a bony little knock-out punch:

Olbermann’s incessant lying about having an “Ivy League education” when he went to the non-Ivy League ag school at Cornell would be like a graduate of the Yale locksmithing school boasting about being a “Yale man.”

A metaphor involving blue collar labor? Low blow.

But wait! Olbermann’s still got some fight in him. After the jump: The response that may require us to banish Keither Olbermann from the Ivy League forever.

Olbermann rolls up his sleeves and starts punching in his daily “World’s Worst” segment, where he whips out his big, shiny diploma and morphs into a belligerently insecure teenager trying out for the debate team:

This induces an inward cringe so severe as to cause us to shed our external shells and molt. Most amazingly, Olbermann comes out of the diploma-brandishing and statistics-rattling segment with a persuasive argument against his status as an Ivy Leaguer:

In my four years as a student at Cornell and nearly 30 years as an alumnus I have never before heard one graduate of one of the university’s colleges belittling all its other colleges as not counting. We always considered each other equals.

Sir, the whole point of attending an Ivy League university is earning the right to belittle your peers. In fact, it is a time-honored Ivy League pursuit second only to incessant defensiveness and the perpetual need to justify one’s intellectual validit–

Oh. Right. Congrats, Keith. Looks like you’re back in.

* To find out about Obama’s life pre-Columbia, I visited Occidental’s Wikipedia page, where the gravest of my fears was confirmed.

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  • http://www.metaezra.com/ Cayuga

    @ @ Cayuga

    You need to separate Olbermann’s own Cornell and Ivy-promoting buffoonery from the matter at hand.
    In one corner we have somebody questioning the increased connections between the DOJ and an evangelical law school. And in the other corner we have somebody claiming that one shouldn’t be in a position to raise a critical eye towards this trend on account of the fact that they didn’t attend a school in a certain sports conference. But, in fact, they did…

  • http://www.metaezra.com Cayuga

    @ @ Cayuga

    You need to separate Olbermann’s own Cornell and Ivy-promoting buffoonery from the matter at hand.
    In one corner we have somebody questioning the increased connections between the DOJ and an evangelical law school. And in the other corner we have somebody claiming that one shouldn’t be in a position to raise a critical eye towards this trend on account of the fact that they didn’t attend a school in a certain sports conference. But, in fact, they did…

  • sasha

    Oh stupid Keith. He’s a fat, insecure, looser.

  • sasha

    Oh stupid Keith. He’s a fat, insecure, looser.

  • cuEnginerd

    Defensive much?

  • cuEnginerd

    Defensive much?

  • ihateolby
  • ihateolby
  • Christian Fredericksen

    Check out the link. Ag school is run/funded by SUNY, a state school with way less competition for acceptance (notice Keith qualifies his figures with ‘now’ and leaves out the SAT averages). Keith’s diploma also notes the state school distinction, which is what he doesn’t want the camera zooming in on at the bottom corner. Communications is not a real degree anyway. All of those ‘undecideds’ have to go somewhere. Of course they end up on TV, sucking wind getting less ratings than the public access station. The more talented become professional athletes, while the double majors…well they become successful in their primary major, and forget about the communications degree they had to do as required by the institution. Also, Coulter does not degrade the ‘farmers’ at the Ag school in the slightest. To the contrary, she specifically mentions that graduates in those sciences ARE the best in THAT particular field. She is critical of Andy, I mean, Keith because he clearly did not apply to the Ag school for the amazing ‘Communications’ program. You must learn to differentiate her comments about ‘Old MacDonald Cornell’ as digs at Keith, not at the farmers. It is Keith’s insecurity about his own shortfalls that make that a personal insult for him. She knows that it bothers him, because he uses the same techniques on others, and now that the mirror is squarely placed on him, well you can see that it is never pretty watching a ‘grown man’ cry. Do you really think that successful farmers give a flying f*** about their educational credentials? Get real.

    http://patterico.com/jury/2009/03/05/too-good-to-be-true-but-it-is-keith-olbermanns-resume-fraud/#comments

  • Christian Fredericksen

    Check out the link. Ag school is run/funded by SUNY, a state school with way less competition for acceptance (notice Keith qualifies his figures with ‘now’ and leaves out the SAT averages). Keith’s diploma also notes the state school distinction, which is what he doesn’t want the camera zooming in on at the bottom corner. Communications is not a real degree anyway. All of those ‘undecideds’ have to go somewhere. Of course they end up on TV, sucking wind getting less ratings than the public access station. The more talented become professional athletes, while the double majors…well they become successful in their primary major, and forget about the communications degree they had to do as required by the institution. Also, Coulter does not degrade the ‘farmers’ at the Ag school in the slightest. To the contrary, she specifically mentions that graduates in those sciences ARE the best in THAT particular field. She is critical of Andy, I mean, Keith because he clearly did not apply to the Ag school for the amazing ‘Communications’ program. You must learn to differentiate her comments about ‘Old MacDonald Cornell’ as digs at Keith, not at the farmers. It is Keith’s insecurity about his own shortfalls that make that a personal insult for him. She knows that it bothers him, because he uses the same techniques on others, and now that the mirror is squarely placed on him, well you can see that it is never pretty watching a ‘grown man’ cry. Do you really think that successful farmers give a flying f*** about their educational credentials? Get real.

    http://patterico.com/jury/2009/03/05/too-good-to-be-true-but-it-is-keith-olbermanns-resume-fraud/#comments

  • Christian Fredericksen

    OMG! ihateolby’s link to the RedEye youtube clip was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen. Ever. Thanks.

  • Christian Fredericksen

    OMG! ihateolby’s link to the RedEye youtube clip was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen. Ever. Thanks.

  • Fouriertransform

    This is unbelievably awkward.

  • Fouriertransform

    This is unbelievably awkward.

  • http://www.metaezra.com/ Cayuga

    Sigh. Let’s go through this again, shall we? The College of Agricultural and Life Sciences is a private institution that is contracted with the State of New York to perform research, education, and outreach pertaining to the well-being of all New Yorkers. As it is a private institution, it is not run by SUNY, and state appropriations amount to less than 20 percent of the college’s entire budget. And it is more than just a farm school — it features a lot of fantastic departments not only in the agricultural sciences, but also in the biological sciences, earth sciences, engineering sciences, and applied social sciences.
    Moreover, the Communication department in Ag school is a reputable department, with legions of successful alumni. The department specializes in the dissemination of scientific knowledge as well as how people interact with old and new media, combined with changing information technologies. (Imagine that — a school grounded in the expansion of the sciences for the betterment of the human condition wanting to conduct research in how to best distill knowledge!)
    I also do not think that Keith is bothered in the least by the fact that he attended CALS for a degree that he was interested in. (After all, he does seem to have an interest in communication/journalism… especially given his role at WVBR while he was an undergraduate.) I suspect that what bothers Keith — just as it bothers so many other Cornell alums (contract college or not) is that it is patently absurd to be disparaged by a fellow alum due to your particular undergraduate college.

  • http://www.metaezra.com Cayuga

    Sigh. Let’s go through this again, shall we? The College of Agricultural and Life Sciences is a private institution that is contracted with the State of New York to perform research, education, and outreach pertaining to the well-being of all New Yorkers. As it is a private institution, it is not run by SUNY, and state appropriations amount to less than 20 percent of the college’s entire budget. And it is more than just a farm school — it features a lot of fantastic departments not only in the agricultural sciences, but also in the biological sciences, earth sciences, engineering sciences, and applied social sciences.
    Moreover, the Communication department in Ag school is a reputable department, with legions of successful alumni. The department specializes in the dissemination of scientific knowledge as well as how people interact with old and new media, combined with changing information technologies. (Imagine that — a school grounded in the expansion of the sciences for the betterment of the human condition wanting to conduct research in how to best distill knowledge!)
    I also do not think that Keith is bothered in the least by the fact that he attended CALS for a degree that he was interested in. (After all, he does seem to have an interest in communication/journalism… especially given his role at WVBR while he was an undergraduate.) I suspect that what bothers Keith — just as it bothers so many other Cornell alums (contract college or not) is that it is patently absurd to be disparaged by a fellow alum due to your particular undergraduate college.

  • cornell264

    oh em gee Ann Coulter is ridiculous.

    I was just in an interview last week and the employee interviewing me was in DG with Ann and graduated the same year as her. She said Ann was an absolute ignorant bitch who had no perspective in the early 80′s too. Not sure how we got on that subject, but anycrazyhoannis…

    I have to agree with “cuEnginerd.” Ann is on some next level loony business because only the re-re’s of the world use the whole state college retort as if it has any clout. A&LS has some of the most superior programs at Cornell, so Ann can sit down somewhere. (I must admit I am highly irked that only the NY residents get the reduced fee. I pay full Cornell tuition. :[). The whole acceptance rate thing is BS and Ann knows it. It’s something Arts & Science students concocted to make themselves feel better that the majors in their school are about as easy as god knows what. If I majored in Creative Writing and French Literature (2 things I actually like), I’m sure I would graduate Cornell with a 4.0 too.

    But let us not sleep on AEM… Engineers always have to go there and yet they feel the need to apply to business related fields for employment… Can I if you’re OR you’re just not a real engineer… just saying lol j/k

  • cornell264

    oh em gee Ann Coulter is ridiculous.

    I was just in an interview last week and the employee interviewing me was in DG with Ann and graduated the same year as her. She said Ann was an absolute ignorant bitch who had no perspective in the early 80′s too. Not sure how we got on that subject, but anycrazyhoannis…

    I have to agree with “cuEnginerd.” Ann is on some next level loony business because only the re-re’s of the world use the whole state college retort as if it has any clout. A&LS has some of the most superior programs at Cornell, so Ann can sit down somewhere. (I must admit I am highly irked that only the NY residents get the reduced fee. I pay full Cornell tuition. :[). The whole acceptance rate thing is BS and Ann knows it. It’s something Arts & Science students concocted to make themselves feel better that the majors in their school are about as easy as god knows what. If I majored in Creative Writing and French Literature (2 things I actually like), I’m sure I would graduate Cornell with a 4.0 too.

    But let us not sleep on AEM… Engineers always have to go there and yet they feel the need to apply to business related fields for employment… Can I if you’re OR you’re just not a real engineer… just saying lol j/k

  • @ @ LPB Says

    Harvard Extension is nothing like Columbia GS. HES students are separated from Harvard college and are even limited in the amount of classes they can take at HC. They cannot live on campus either, it’s basically a Cont. Ed. school.

    At Columbia, Columbia College students and GS students take the SAME classes from the SAME Arts and Sciences dept.

  • @ @ LPB Says

    Harvard Extension is nothing like Columbia GS. HES students are separated from Harvard college and are even limited in the amount of classes they can take at HC. They cannot live on campus either, it’s basically a Cont. Ed. school.

    At Columbia, Columbia College students and GS students take the SAME classes from the SAME Arts and Sciences dept.

  • http://cornellreview.wordpress.com/ osheezie

    Just in case anybody was wondering about the Cornell Review’s reaction (the paper she helped establish), here it is: http://cornellreview.wordpress.com/2009/03/09/coulter-on-the-intricacies-of-cornells-schools/

  • http://cornellreview.wordpress.com/ osheezie

    Just in case anybody was wondering about the Cornell Review’s reaction (the paper she helped establish), here it is: http://cornellreview.wordpress.com/2009/03/09/coulter-on-the-intricacies-of-cornells-schools/

  • ViolentQuaker

    Wow. This makes Penn’s Wharton-College dynamic look like a veritable love feet. Thanks, Cornell!

  • ViolentQuaker

    Wow. This makes Penn’s Wharton-College dynamic look like a veritable love feet. Thanks, Cornell!

  • anon

    lol. Take any ag Communication major and wave an Arts & Sci English degree in front of their face. Each and every one drools – there isn’t any competition for an Arts and Sci English BA.

  • anon

    lol. Take any ag Communication major and wave an Arts & Sci English degree in front of their face. Each and every one drools – there isn’t any competition for an Arts and Sci English BA.

  • anon

    (because this was too good)
    “Disappointed said
    March 10, 2009 at 4:59 am

    Totally serious. On the Dept. of Communications website, there is spotlight on Dr. Jeff Hancock who is meant to discuss ‘how people use tools like Facebook to their advantage.’ Wow, it’s a good thing that we have this ‘expert’ helping us work out the ins and outs of Facebook, which is really tough to use. And I couldn’t possibly figure out how it might be advantageous to my life unless I attended this lecture. I think I’ll bring my 88 year old grandmother along so she can ask loads of useful questions about this highly intriguing, and deeply complex topic.

    Grandma Charlotte: “Why are these people always writing on my wall? I don’t think they should be messing with my wall, making all kinds of graffiti. Good for nothing hooligans.” Dr. Hancock: “No Ma’am, it’s not an actual wall they are writing on, it’s just an electronic post, like a cork board in your kitchen…” Grandma Charlotte: “I don’t want anybody coming in and messing with my cork board either. I’ve got it all arranged just how I like it, with the grocery list in the upper right, electric bill below that, water bill….now wait a minute. Did I pay that water bill last week or did I forget to mail it when I went to Perkins for lunch with Thelma? I can’t remember…” Dr. Hancock: “No, Ma’am again not an actual cork…”

    Uses to online networking???….hmmmm….I’m just drawing a blank. Maybe I should get a Communications degree.”
    http://cornellreview.wordpress.com/2009/03/09/coulter-on-the-intricacies-of-cornells-schools/

  • anon

    (because this was too good)
    “Disappointed said
    March 10, 2009 at 4:59 am

    Totally serious. On the Dept. of Communications website, there is spotlight on Dr. Jeff Hancock who is meant to discuss ‘how people use tools like Facebook to their advantage.’ Wow, it’s a good thing that we have this ‘expert’ helping us work out the ins and outs of Facebook, which is really tough to use. And I couldn’t possibly figure out how it might be advantageous to my life unless I attended this lecture. I think I’ll bring my 88 year old grandmother along so she can ask loads of useful questions about this highly intriguing, and deeply complex topic.

    Grandma Charlotte: “Why are these people always writing on my wall? I don’t think they should be messing with my wall, making all kinds of graffiti. Good for nothing hooligans.” Dr. Hancock: “No Ma’am, it’s not an actual wall they are writing on, it’s just an electronic post, like a cork board in your kitchen…” Grandma Charlotte: “I don’t want anybody coming in and messing with my cork board either. I’ve got it all arranged just how I like it, with the grocery list in the upper right, electric bill below that, water bill….now wait a minute. Did I pay that water bill last week or did I forget to mail it when I went to Perkins for lunch with Thelma? I can’t remember…” Dr. Hancock: “No, Ma’am again not an actual cork…”

    Uses to online networking???….hmmmm….I’m just drawing a blank. Maybe I should get a Communications degree.”
    http://cornellreview.wordpress.com/2009/03/09/coulter-on-the-intricacies-of-cornells-schools/

  • peteredson

    where does the ILR school rank in this whole intra school prestige contest?

  • peteredson

    where does the ILR school rank in this whole intra school prestige contest?

  • Dart09

    Well I think both points are void, because we all know Cornell sucks anyway. Just above Brown on the ivy scale.

  • Dart09

    Well I think both points are void, because we all know Cornell sucks anyway. Just above Brown on the ivy scale.

  • Anonymous

    no, cornell is awesome.

    and although i do not agree with ann coulter on 99% of life… she’s totally right about this. people in ag are just so much dumber than people in arts. i am just glad someone finally said it out loud.

  • Anonymous

    no, cornell is awesome.

    and although i do not agree with ann coulter on 99% of life… she’s totally right about this. people in ag are just so much dumber than people in arts. i am just glad someone finally said it out loud.

  • anon

    ILR is also a state school, same bag as Ag and HumEc. The requirements doesn’t match up to the endowed colleges of Arts, Engr & AAP (but esp Arts and Engr)

  • anon

    ILR is also a state school, same bag as Ag and HumEc. The requirements doesn’t match up to the endowed colleges of Arts, Engr & AAP (but esp Arts and Engr)

  • Anonymous

    Cornell sucks!!!

  • Anonymous

    Cornell sucks!!!

  • cornellian

    For the record, CALS also includes the #10 undergrad business program in the country…

  • cornellian

    For the record, CALS also includes the #10 undergrad business program in the country…

  • flint grad

    coulter is a stupid woman.
    I graduate from University of Michigan at Flint. I notice I know that I tell graduates from the Ann Arbor campus, they say my degree is not same as theres. But my degree says University of Michigan just like theres. I work just as hard as them, just at diferent campus.

    • Rob

      Except that if you had attended U of M Ann Arbor, perhaps you would know how to write.
      It should be:
      “I graduated” as it is past tense.
      “the same as theirs.” not ‘theres”
      “just at a different campus”
      I think your degree should be revoked until you learn proper grammar.

  • flint grad

    coulter is a stupid woman.
    I graduate from University of Michigan at Flint. I notice I know that I tell graduates from the Ann Arbor campus, they say my degree is not same as theres. But my degree says University of Michigan just like theres. I work just as hard as them, just at diferent campus.

  • Cornell78

    Dart09 needs to grow up. I live in L.A. and NOBODY knows or cares abou Dartmouth. It practically doesn’t exist except for East Coast preppies. Cornell, on the other hand, has a huge reputation.

  • Cornell78

    Dart09 needs to grow up. I live in L.A. and NOBODY knows or cares abou Dartmouth. It practically doesn’t exist except for East Coast preppies. Cornell, on the other hand, has a huge reputation.

  • http://www.medlawplus.com/ joe

    I’m a Kieth fan but appreciate a well-written smack down. BTW, the Rush Limbaugh trivia on ballroom dancing was enlightening. Rush couldn’t make it into his second year at the august Southeast Missouri State University.

  • http://www.medlawplus.com joe

    I’m a Kieth fan but appreciate a well-written smack down. BTW, the Rush Limbaugh trivia on ballroom dancing was enlightening. Rush couldn’t make it into his second year at the august Southeast Missouri State University.

  • CU’01

    I went to Cornell for four years and later worked at the university for three years.

    There were f*cktards in A&S, CALS, Johnson, Hotel, ILR, Vet, Engineering, AAP, and HumEc. F*cktards do not discriminate between colleges in their attendance. There are morons in every school. Maybe there’s a difference in the abrasive quality of the jackassery in different schools – hotelies are outgoing in their obnoxiousness! A&Sses are snobby! – but, hey, a prick is a prick is prick.

    Yes, there were smart people in all the schools, too. Some of them were also tools. Funny how that works.

    Oh, yeah, I work at Harvard now. Guess what? It’s full of tools, too.

    Go Ivy.

  • CU’01

    I went to Cornell for four years and later worked at the university for three years.

    There were f*cktards in A&S, CALS, Johnson, Hotel, ILR, Vet, Engineering, AAP, and HumEc. F*cktards do not discriminate between colleges in their attendance. There are morons in every school. Maybe there’s a difference in the abrasive quality of the jackassery in different schools – hotelies are outgoing in their obnoxiousness! A&Sses are snobby! – but, hey, a prick is a prick is prick.

    Yes, there were smart people in all the schools, too. Some of them were also tools. Funny how that works.

    Oh, yeah, I work at Harvard now. Guess what? It’s full of tools, too.

    Go Ivy.

  • jacki

    What’s so wrong with a major in Communications? I can understand other universities’ communications programs may be pretty easy, but Cornell’s is a lot different since they focus quite a lot on it being a social science like psychology or sociology would be. It’s also a gateway to fields like marketing and journalism (since there are no majors for either in Cornell) which I think are both respectable fields. Look at what the top CMOs (Chief Marketing Officers) of companies are making and you may think twice about Communications being such a throwaway. Same with Keith Olbermann. He makes millions a year.

  • jacki

    What’s so wrong with a major in Communications? I can understand other universities’ communications programs may be pretty easy, but Cornell’s is a lot different since they focus quite a lot on it being a social science like psychology or sociology would be. It’s also a gateway to fields like marketing and journalism (since there are no majors for either in Cornell) which I think are both respectable fields. Look at what the top CMOs (Chief Marketing Officers) of companies are making and you may think twice about Communications being such a throwaway. Same with Keith Olbermann. He makes millions a year.