your comments about Duke having no inferiority comments raises an interesting question — which current Ivy school would be harmed the most (prestige-wise, ranking-wise, etc) if it were to have its Ivy status suddenly revoked?

sorry, meant “inferiority complex” in above post…

I think UPenn probably has the toughest time market-wise. HYP are household names, a fair amount of people people have heard of Columbia, Darmouth, and Brown, thanks to The Office people know of Cornell, but Penn has the issue of being confused with PSU.

This is to say nothing of actual caliber, but I think UPenn would lose the most by not having ‘Ivy League’ attached to it.

Look, when it comes to history, government, psych, english, etc… there’s no question, cornell sucks monkey butt. I mean, any school with a triple digit number of english majors really deserves a state school rep, but, some things to consider…

1. Number one architecture. consistently. unarguably.

2. Engineering really is leaps and bounds ahead of the other ivies. It’s one of the top 10 programs, with a top-5 comp sci, choice mechanical, chemical and ECE dep’ts, and #1 applied physics.

3. Pure science is also pretty good, but not exactly princeton. still, C.U. physics is the #5 grad program, and chem & astro kick but too. They also have a particle accelerator, which no other ivy has.

And yes, wrestling and hockey rock at Cornell. But the ivy league (at least today) isn’t really about sports or even academics. it’s about selectivity and prestige, and Cornell admittedly has neither. if you want top candidates to replace Cornell and Penn, it’s easily Stanford and M.I.T. They’re selective and known throughout the world. Tufts and NYU? Complete bullshit.

1.)Tell me this, ithication: If M.I.T joined the Ivy League, what the FUCK would it do? Field crew and squash teams (non divisional sports)? Or just release papers reminding everyone that the Ivy League is really prestigous? The statment that the Ivy League is not about sports at an every day operations level is preposterous. Although, Im sure Stanford would love to fly its football team to the butt crack of Mass. and brutalize Dartmouth. Its not like they could be playing CAL or USC anyway.

2.) Regarding international standing: No one outside the US gives a shit about PENN, Dartmouth or Brown. Cornell, however, has an outstanding international rep. I agree with intersting in that PENN would suffer most from losing its Ivy status (I attend, btw).

All of you people amaze me…Why does everything have to be a competition as to who is better? who really cares? They’re all good schools. You go to college to learn and not to gain an superior attitude. I would probably rather hand out with people from community college than you dull elitist pricks…They’re are more important things in life than proving your supremacy. It your happy at the school your at that is all that matters.

Thank you Reason. Point number 2 is dead on, but I would fix it to say no one outside the east coast of the US gives a shit about Penn, Dartmouth, or Brown. All the other Ivy leagues have plenty of international prestige.

Can’t we all just get along?
-Rodney King
LSU ’82

Geaux Tigers!

Which of these is not like the others?

1. In Deo speramus
2. In lumine Tuo videbimus lumen
3. I would found an institution where any person can find instruction in any study.
4. Vox clamantis in deserto
5. Veritas
6. Dei sub numine viget
7. Leges sine moribus vanae
8. Lux et veritas

Apparently the NY State Legislature didn’t get the memo about a Latin motto.

I agree, a latin motto is totally a pre-req. for being an excellent university. Just look at the University of Misssissippi. Its done wonders for them.

Cornell: worse than BYU?

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/03/16/ncaa

Try leaving duffield once in a while. Look up the A/S rankings and get back to me. English? Shitty? Look again.

How do all the Ivy’s really rank — not the silly us news deal — but rather, how does society truly perceive them? You can take into account academics, campus, etc — but also factor-in prestige, mystique, all that “intangibles” stuff.

Here’s my list to start, in descending rank order:

Harv — world cultural elite; i concede, it’s the top of the heap and still sets the tone for the establishment. full of goofy pricks who need a good beating, but instead will always be catered to…

Yale — a half-step behind. kinda looser and nuttier though than Hahvahd. but after they get that out of their system — it’s onto the inner corridors of power. gothic splendor in a ghetto

Princeton — full of itself, and manages to fool the world about how great they are (slight inferiority complex to H & Y) — but they do wield alot of influence in society. elitism is a sport here. wealthiest/waspiest brand — equating it to perceived social prestige, but completely boring. definitely could use some more ethnic representation to shake things up

Columbia — tied-in with the influence of NY, clearly Obama now also helps. lots of over-achieving ethnic kids who’ve greatly jacked up the academic profile, but seems to have lessened social prestige with established upper-crust elitists.

Dartmouth (my school) — leader, a-hole-types (class pres, football captains, etc) not the best with academics — but old-boy connections will still get us through. i admit, most aren’t so concerned about classes — we’re drinking ourselves to death. but even with a C average, we’ll stumble our way somehow into the corner office

Brown — liberal chic. misguided clowns — still, lots of connections and influence within the american establishment. classic limousine liberals who attack the upper-crust, yet all secretly enjoy being a part of it

Cornell — blue-collar. smart kids who’ll make it on their own even if they’re not connected with the elite. note that i’m only counting the arts&sciences — the rest is irrelevant. basically a safety, but with over-indexing minority/foreign segment strong in science, engineering etc — hire these kids later on when you’re running a company. Good branding status internationally

Penn — nouveau, ethnic-elite, and social-climby. good school, lots of choices — but tries too hard to convince you they’re ivy due to zero name recognition. don’t know where they’d be without the ivy league label. wharton helps a little, but it’s still seen as vulgar by the true upper-crust. classic safety, but a fun place to party

while i’m all for kicking out cornell, let’s not forget the worst ivy of all: DARTMOUTH. seriously, what the fuck is so great about that shit school.

@Cayuga
You started this meme in order to stick it to the prestige whores?
Well, that went well.

Apparently no one here knows geography. The Ivy League, or Ancient Eight, was established based on geography. At the most, Cornell is probably six hours away from the farther Ivies like Princeton and Dartmouth. Georgetown? Stanford? Duke? Get real! Georgetown is probably 10-12 hours away from Dartmouth, 10 hours away from Harvard, and so on. Do I even need to explain Stanford and Duke? And besides, you can look up almost any national college ranking, and it would have Cornell ranked above Dartmouth and Brown (academically), so I do not see why this is even a discussion. The facts are out there, just go look for yourself rather than bash my college with minimal knowledge. We are called the Ancient Eight for a reason…

Go Big Red!

Cornell above both Dartmouth and Brown?

I point you to these: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/national-search

The author of that article not only made faulty conclusions, he also had his facts wrong. He incorrectly stated that Andrew Dickson White was educated at Michigan. He went to Yale and taught at Michigan.

As for his argument that Cornell doesn’t belong in the Ivy League –
In terms of endowment size, Cornell was above most other Ivy’s (except HYP) before the crash. It’s tough to gauge size after the crash since the private equity investments held by many others are illiquid and not priced (recorded @ fair value/cost not market value). In terms of geographical location, Dartmouth is in the sticks too, and Yale’s location in New Haven is suspect if only urban metropolis locations are acceptable. In terms of “competitive” sports, Cornell doesn’t have to worry. It’s never going to have a nationally competitive football or basketball team. Who cares about hockey and LC? Most people are more interested in table tennis or pocket pool anyways. Hockey is for Canerdians. Perhaps Brown should be kicked out too if US News rankings are the say-all.

The author of that article not only made faulty conclusions, he also had his facts wrong. He incorrectly stated that Andrew Dickson White was educated at Michigan. He went to Yale and taught at Michigan.

As for his argument that Cornell doesn’t belong in the Ivy League –
In terms of endowment size, Cornell was above most other Ivy’s (except HYP) before the crash. It’s tough to gauge size after the crash since the private equity investments held by many others are illiquid and not priced (recorded @ fair value/cost not market value). In terms of geographical location, Dartmouth is in the sticks too, and Yale’s location in New Haven is suspect if only urban metropolis locations are acceptable. In terms of “competitive” sports, Cornell doesn’t have to worry. It’s never going to have a nationally competitive football or basketball team. Who cares about hockey and LC? Most people are more interested in table tennis or pocket pool anyways. Hockey is for Canerdians. Perhaps Brown should be kicked out too if US News rankings are the say-all.

Cornell’s endowment size “above most other Ivy’s”?
Harvard>Yale>Princeton>Columbia>UPenn>Cornell
Check pretty much anywhere. That puts Cornell distinctly in the bottom half, and not more than most excluding HYP.

No one cares how each Ivy stacks up except for the elitist pricks at HYP. So what if Cornell isn’t as prestigious? And stop bashing the Ag School. Where else can you get an Ivy league education for less then $30 a year? Oh right, ILR and Hum-Ec

lol i guess we really are all brothers.

we all fight amongst ourselves, but when we graduate/grow up we stand together when necessary, even if we still like ribbing each other every now and then

Cornell is so dumb.

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