Good for them.

Good for them.

That dress certainly looks very chaste. The engagement picture is cute though.

That dress certainly looks very chaste. The engagement picture is cute though.

Am I the only one who doesn’t find this cute at all? These people are obnoxious moralists and all of this bullshit somehow “validates” their bullshit agenda, making me uncomfortable in a way that I can’t quite describe.

Am I the only one who doesn’t find this cute at all? These people are obnoxious moralists and all of this bullshit somehow “validates” their bullshit agenda, making me uncomfortable in a way that I can’t quite describe.

she looks knocked up in the bottom two images. fartmouth is right. the religious right will eat this garbage up.

she looks knocked up in the bottom two images. fartmouth is right. the religious right will eat this garbage up.

Ummm, it couldn’t be his “evangelical” version of anything- they’re both Catholic, not evangelicals.

And yes, you’re right, it is an absolutely travesty that this couple actually took a principled stand on something, lived up to that standard, and endured to form a lifelong committment to each other in the presence of family and friends. Yea, they totally should have scrapped that and slept with everyone on campus and then blogged about it.

Get a clue Ivygate.

Ummm, it couldn’t be his “evangelical” version of anything- they’re both Catholic, not evangelicals.

And yes, you’re right, it is an absolutely travesty that this couple actually took a principled stand on something, lived up to that standard, and endured to form a lifelong committment to each other in the presence of family and friends. Yea, they totally should have scrapped that and slept with everyone on campus and then blogged about it.

Get a clue Ivygate.

@fartmouth:

They seem pretty harmless to me. Sure, they may think you’re unprincipled and sluttish, but your parents probably do too. Besides, so long as they restrict their behavior to having opinions and leaving those opinions (with candy) outside people’s doors, they aren’t doing any harm.

Seriously, there are far more vicious ideologies in the world than chastity. Demonize one of them.

@fartmouth:

They seem pretty harmless to me. Sure, they may think you’re unprincipled and sluttish, but your parents probably do too. Besides, so long as they restrict their behavior to having opinions and leaving those opinions (with candy) outside people’s doors, they aren’t doing any harm.

Seriously, there are far more vicious ideologies in the world than chastity. Demonize one of them.

for once, can’t we all just get along? this is probably the least offensive story in ivygate history and people are wasting no time in invoking the culture war. stop being assholes and be happy for the couple…

for once, can’t we all just get along? this is probably the least offensive story in ivygate history and people are wasting no time in invoking the culture war. stop being assholes and be happy for the couple…

@Rick Roll!

Yes! Passive aggressive moralizing sarcasm! I didn’t think we’d get so lucky!

@Rick Roll!

Yes! Passive aggressive moralizing sarcasm! I didn’t think we’d get so lucky!

why is maureen o’connor still pathetically managing a college blog when she has long since graduated and taking unprovoked cheap shots at sweetly innocent bystanders? unfortunately, rehashing gawker features in a banal imitation of their snarky tone will not suffice to get you hired there. maybe graduating from making fun of college kids might get someone to notice…

why is maureen o’connor still pathetically managing a college blog when she has long since graduated and taking unprovoked cheap shots at sweetly innocent bystanders? unfortunately, rehashing gawker features in a banal imitation of their snarky tone will not suffice to get you hired there. maybe graduating from making fun of college kids might get someone to notice…

The horror! MORALITY!

NOOOOOOOOO!!! My one weakness as a college student! My entire belief system is thrown into disarray by discovering that another student has actual moral standards!

I didn’t know the thought police on our campuses allowed such talk!

At least they’ve fled to Georgetown! Those Jesuits can keep their morals! We prefer our Ivy campuses God-less and love-less and clue-less.

The horror! MORALITY!

NOOOOOOOOO!!! My one weakness as a college student! My entire belief system is thrown into disarray by discovering that another student has actual moral standards!

I didn’t know the thought police on our campuses allowed such talk!

At least they’ve fled to Georgetown! Those Jesuits can keep their morals! We prefer our Ivy campuses God-less and love-less and clue-less.

ewww. that dress is so dowdy. it belongs in the 19th century.

ewww. that dress is so dowdy. it belongs in the 19th century.

What annoys most about these people is that they press their beliefs onto others. You don’t want to fuck until you’re married? Fine, but don’t try to convince others to follow.

I don’t like oral sex (had a bad experience with a high school girlfriend and haven’t gotten over it), but you don’t see me starting clubs about it and trying to convince others they shouldn’t like it either. I keep that shit to myself except when very relevent, and so should these people.

What annoys most about these people is that they press their beliefs onto others. You don’t want to fuck until you’re married? Fine, but don’t try to convince others to follow.

I don’t like oral sex (had a bad experience with a high school girlfriend and haven’t gotten over it), but you don’t see me starting clubs about it and trying to convince others they shouldn’t like it either. I keep that shit to myself except when very relevent, and so should these people.

OMG! NOOO!!

Don’t “press your beliefs” on me! Stop it! I can’t take it! How will I ever avoid your intrusive dining table tents and fliers. Will I ever be able to point my web browser away from your facebook group and website?

I can’t even open the NYT without having these beliefs “pressed on me!”

If your own beliefs are so weak that the mere EXISTENCE of a counter-argument makes you uncomfortable, you are pathetic.

Debate, differences, diversity, opinions. I thought this was the Ivy League? I thought this was tolerant utopia land?

Lobstro- you are a mental midget.

OMG! NOOO!!

Don’t “press your beliefs” on me! Stop it! I can’t take it! How will I ever avoid your intrusive dining table tents and fliers. Will I ever be able to point my web browser away from your facebook group and website?

I can’t even open the NYT without having these beliefs “pressed on me!”

If your own beliefs are so weak that the mere EXISTENCE of a counter-argument makes you uncomfortable, you are pathetic.

Debate, differences, diversity, opinions. I thought this was the Ivy League? I thought this was tolerant utopia land?

Lobstro- you are a mental midget.

I sort of agree with Rick Roll.

I love hearing about alternatives of belief. From Christians to Scientologists, they can be eye-opening or piss funny….but in this case however, I don’t know. The look-at-me-and-my-values! stance also tends to piss me off.

It’s more than just sharing. I mean, aside from _____ your own ego, what use is there to putting such a lens on your P&V other than saying that people should follow your lead?

I sort of agree with Rick Roll.

I love hearing about alternatives of belief. From Christians to Scientologists, they can be eye-opening or piss funny….but in this case however, I don’t know. The look-at-me-and-my-values! stance also tends to piss me off.

It’s more than just sharing. I mean, aside from _____ your own ego, what use is there to putting such a lens on your P&V other than saying that people should follow your lead?

I would prefer an actual “rick roll” to rick roll’s comments. This is no more about proposing alternate lifestyles than the inquisition was about promoting discipline and pain indurance. The fact is Christianity makes its mission to convert non-Christians, and the rest of us find this annoying.

I would prefer an actual “rick roll” to rick roll’s comments. This is no more about proposing alternate lifestyles than the inquisition was about promoting discipline and pain indurance. The fact is Christianity makes its mission to convert non-Christians, and the rest of us find this annoying.

YAY!

Now they’re totally going to have sex. Awesome.

YAY!

Now they’re totally going to have sex. Awesome.

@tres ojos:

If that is your impression of the Inquisition, I must ask which Ivy history department you are a part of, then I will make a note never to apply to grad school there.

@tres ojos:

If that is your impression of the Inquisition, I must ask which Ivy history department you are a part of, then I will make a note never to apply to grad school there.

Rick Roll, you call me a mental midget when you attack me personally and use an obnoxious tone in a straw man argument? I’m going to attack you personally and tell you that you are pathetic.

Did I say I don’t like it because it shakes the foundations of my beliefs? No, that’s your original idea.

Did I say I don’t like groups having their own websites, Facebook groups, and fliers? Again, a Rick Roll original.

I guess the wording in my original post was ambiguous in the sense that I meant to say I don’t form groups with the purpose of actively turning people towards my beliefs. You think this group doesn’t do that? Look at the name, True Love Revolution. Most ‘revolutions” don’t consist of people happy with their beliefs that accept other people who also share those beliefs.

I’m all for academic debate, but when it comes to matters that are founded in religion, it is very difficult to do well. There is a strong difference between events that exist to develop understanding among the general population and events that exist for conversion/recruitment.

Rick Roll, you call me a mental midget when you attack me personally and use an obnoxious tone in a straw man argument? I’m going to attack you personally and tell you that you are pathetic.

Did I say I don’t like it because it shakes the foundations of my beliefs? No, that’s your original idea.

Did I say I don’t like groups having their own websites, Facebook groups, and fliers? Again, a Rick Roll original.

I guess the wording in my original post was ambiguous in the sense that I meant to say I don’t form groups with the purpose of actively turning people towards my beliefs. You think this group doesn’t do that? Look at the name, True Love Revolution. Most ‘revolutions” don’t consist of people happy with their beliefs that accept other people who also share those beliefs.

I’m all for academic debate, but when it comes to matters that are founded in religion, it is very difficult to do well. There is a strong difference between events that exist to develop understanding among the general population and events that exist for conversion/recruitment.

Crabby,

That was a whole lot of nonsense. But at least your keyboard works.

I suppose you are also against: political parties, unions, lobbying groups, non-profits, foundations, advertising, and a host of other “groups with the purpose of actively turning people towards [their] beliefs.”

What kind of fantasy world do you live in?

Why is it okay for one group to try to persuade others, and illicit for another?

Oh right- because the latter group doesn’t hold to YOUR beliefs.

Stunning.

Crabby,

That was a whole lot of nonsense. But at least your keyboard works.

I suppose you are also against: political parties, unions, lobbying groups, non-profits, foundations, advertising, and a host of other “groups with the purpose of actively turning people towards [their] beliefs.”

What kind of fantasy world do you live in?

Why is it okay for one group to try to persuade others, and illicit for another?

Oh right- because the latter group doesn’t hold to YOUR beliefs.

Stunning.

Hey Rick Roll! Thanks for pointing out the irony in all of this. How it is “intolerant” to disagree with immorality, but if you actually AGREE with morality? That is a far worse crime! I applaud these two for living out their principles. The gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.

Hey Rick Roll! Thanks for pointing out the irony in all of this. How it is “intolerant” to disagree with immorality, but if you actually AGREE with morality? That is a far worse crime! I applaud these two for living out their principles. The gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.

just be tolerant of them. i’m tolerant of all those vegetarian groups that tell me eating meat is awful, and tolerant of groups like these telling me eating another kind of meat is awful too. who cares.

just be tolerant of them. i’m tolerant of all those vegetarian groups that tell me eating meat is awful, and tolerant of groups like these telling me eating another kind of meat is awful too. who cares.

for the record, no one here wants to deny TLR the right to annoy and harrass with leaflets, or to prevent them from living chaste lives if only to marry young in order to see what is all the hype about sex. But just as you have the right to do all those things, the rest of us have the right to express our displeasure with the insistence that we do the same.

It’s interesting, Rick Roll, that none of the groups you mentioned offer unsolicited moralizing to unaffiliated parties, nor do they engage said non-participants with such an air of superiority. It’s no wonder that an otherwise happy event such as this could elicit so many negative replies.

for the record, no one here wants to deny TLR the right to annoy and harrass with leaflets, or to prevent them from living chaste lives if only to marry young in order to see what is all the hype about sex. But just as you have the right to do all those things, the rest of us have the right to express our displeasure with the insistence that we do the same.

It’s interesting, Rick Roll, that none of the groups you mentioned offer unsolicited moralizing to unaffiliated parties, nor do they engage said non-participants with such an air of superiority. It’s no wonder that an otherwise happy event such as this could elicit so many negative replies.

haha you know what i find hilarious?

people who have certain principles, eloquently advocate those principles, don’t force those principles on others, and then live by those principles.

simply priceless!!!!1!1

keep up the hilarious stories ivygate.

haha you know what i find hilarious?

people who have certain principles, eloquently advocate those principles, don’t force those principles on others, and then live by those principles.

simply priceless!!!!1!1

keep up the hilarious stories ivygate.

@tres ojos:

On the contrary, ALL of those groups offer their own brand of moralizing.

Unions preach about FAIR WAGES and HUMANE WORKING CONDITIONS and the universal RIGHT TO WORK. They uphold blue collar labor against those greedy white collar professionals.

It is often the exact mission of a lobbying group to lobby for their moral stand.

Non-profits are often driven by an intense moralist agenda: Mothers against drunk driving, the National Wildlife Fund, Amnesty International.

All offer unsolicited moralizing to unaffiliated advice.

Aren’t you sick of that annoying Sara Mclachlan commercial for the Humane Society yet?

The flurry of negative responses to this story comes out of the average college student’s sexual immaturity and insecurity.

@tres ojos:

On the contrary, ALL of those groups offer their own brand of moralizing.

Unions preach about FAIR WAGES and HUMANE WORKING CONDITIONS and the universal RIGHT TO WORK. They uphold blue collar labor against those greedy white collar professionals.

It is often the exact mission of a lobbying group to lobby for their moral stand.

Non-profits are often driven by an intense moralist agenda: Mothers against drunk driving, the National Wildlife Fund, Amnesty International.

All offer unsolicited moralizing to unaffiliated advice.

Aren’t you sick of that annoying Sara Mclachlan commercial for the Humane Society yet?

The flurry of negative responses to this story comes out of the average college student’s sexual immaturity and insecurity.

Rick Roll loses all credibility with his last sentence. It’s OK though, he’s way cooler and smarter than us. Oh, and he has a lot more sex with hotter people I’m sure.

Rick Roll loses all credibility with his last sentence. It’s OK though, he’s way cooler and smarter than us. Oh, and he has a lot more sex with hotter people I’m sure.

I am quite able to admit my own sexual immaturity and insecurity!

I am 22 years old! What do I know of the ways of love, marriage, pro-creation?

If more college students were honest with themselves, they would see the inherent problems (heart ache, disease, no sense of comittment, etc.) of the prevailing hook up culture on college campuses.

But that would take humility- sorely lacking at our Ivy schools

I am quite able to admit my own sexual immaturity and insecurity!

I am 22 years old! What do I know of the ways of love, marriage, pro-creation?

If more college students were honest with themselves, they would see the inherent problems (heart ache, disease, no sense of comittment, etc.) of the prevailing hook up culture on college campuses.

But that would take humility- sorely lacking at our Ivy schools

Unions preach for fair wages to THE MANAGERS WHO DETERMINE THEIR WAGES.

Lobbyists lobby CONGRESSMEN ON BEHALF OF PEOPLE THE CONGRESS REPRESENTS.

Mothers against drunk driving HAVE CHILDREN KILLED BY DRUNK DRIVERS.

Do you really not see the difference? Managers are employed to engage their workers. Congressmen are elected to represent the public. Drunk drivers kill innocent people whom are the children of mothers.

In each case the harassee is obliged to the harasser through some bond, either spoken or unspoken. Between myself and you, there is no such understanding and you are simply harassing because your religion obliges you to convert others. If you fail to capture this logic then I hope you can at least appreciate how obnoxious it to tell others how to live and make personal decisions.

Unions preach for fair wages to THE MANAGERS WHO DETERMINE THEIR WAGES.

Lobbyists lobby CONGRESSMEN ON BEHALF OF PEOPLE THE CONGRESS REPRESENTS.

Mothers against drunk driving HAVE CHILDREN KILLED BY DRUNK DRIVERS.

Do you really not see the difference? Managers are employed to engage their workers. Congressmen are elected to represent the public. Drunk drivers kill innocent people whom are the children of mothers.

In each case the harassee is obliged to the harasser through some bond, either spoken or unspoken. Between myself and you, there is no such understanding and you are simply harassing because your religion obliges you to convert others. If you fail to capture this logic then I hope you can at least appreciate how obnoxious it to tell others how to live and make personal decisions.

@tres ojos,

You are gravely naive if you believe that unions, lobbyists, MADD, etc. have such a narrow focus. They would love for the whole world to see and believe as they do.

Even now- YOU, TRES OJOS, wish ME, to see and believe as YOU do.

Let me sum up your position:

Tres Ojos: “No one can tell anyone else what to do.”

Rational Person: “I have a position I would like to advocate.”

Tres Ojos: “You cannot do that, it is harassment and illicit.”

Rational Person: “Aren’t you telling me what to do?”

Tres Ojos: …..[stunned confusion]

Rational person: Hypocrisy, thy name is Tres Ojos.

@tres ojos,

You are gravely naive if you believe that unions, lobbyists, MADD, etc. have such a narrow focus. They would love for the whole world to see and believe as they do.

Even now- YOU, TRES OJOS, wish ME, to see and believe as YOU do.

Let me sum up your position:

Tres Ojos: “No one can tell anyone else what to do.”

Rational Person: “I have a position I would like to advocate.”

Tres Ojos: “You cannot do that, it is harassment and illicit.”

Rational Person: “Aren’t you telling me what to do?”

Tres Ojos: …..[stunned confusion]

Rational person: Hypocrisy, thy name is Tres Ojos.

Tres Ojos: “you’ll have to excuse my look of stunned confusion, I just noticed a woman across the room whom I had premarital sexual encounters with is giving me the ‘call me’ gesture.”

Rick Roll: “as I was saying…”

Tres Ojos: “oh yes, you were saying that I should deny my naturally evolved biological instincts because you have a book which says I should do so until I formally state my intentions before a church–a sort of fan-base following of your book–so that their stranglehold on society is justified and I become further crippled by my own impotence and inability to make decisions without consulting a fairytale writ small on gilded pages.”

Rick Roll: …[stunned confusion]

Tres Ojos: “I’m sorry, do you know her, too.”

Rick Roll: “No, I’m a virgin. For me it was what you said.”

Tres Ojos: “It was nice talking to you.”

exits to have sex with elegant redhead

Tres Ojos: “you’ll have to excuse my look of stunned confusion, I just noticed a woman across the room whom I had premarital sexual encounters with is giving me the ‘call me’ gesture.”

Rick Roll: “as I was saying…”

Tres Ojos: “oh yes, you were saying that I should deny my naturally evolved biological instincts because you have a book which says I should do so until I formally state my intentions before a church–a sort of fan-base following of your book–so that their stranglehold on society is justified and I become further crippled by my own impotence and inability to make decisions without consulting a fairytale writ small on gilded pages.”

Rick Roll: …[stunned confusion]

Tres Ojos: “I’m sorry, do you know her, too.”

Rick Roll: “No, I’m a virgin. For me it was what you said.”

Tres Ojos: “It was nice talking to you.”

exits to have sex with elegant redhead

premarital sex was the best thing that ever happened to the institution of marriage because it kept idiots for getting married too young just so they could bone. seriously, at this age, does anyone REALLY know for sure who they want to spend the rest of their life with or that there isnt someone better out there? 10 bucks they hate eachother in 10 years

premarital sex was the best thing that ever happened to the institution of marriage because it kept idiots for getting married too young just so they could bone. seriously, at this age, does anyone REALLY know for sure who they want to spend the rest of their life with or that there isnt someone better out there? 10 bucks they hate eachother in 10 years

for the record, Murray, I never told you you can’t advocate your position because it is harassment, but rather offered that as one explanation for the all the negative posts regarding your stupid wedding. QED

for the record, Murray, I never told you you can’t advocate your position because it is harassment, but rather offered that as one explanation for the all the negative posts regarding your stupid wedding. QED

Unlike a loan, it can still cost the person leasing the van quite a bit even if they want to settle the lease early. Unlike a vehicle loan, settling early with a van lease usually means that the individual still needs to pay the interest on the remaining months.

Unlike a loan, it can still cost the person leasing the van quite a bit even if they want to settle the lease early. Unlike a vehicle loan, settling early with a van lease usually means that the individual still needs to pay the interest on the remaining months.