How To Get Into An Ivy League School: A Step-by-Step Guide Featuring Testimony From a Real, Live Silver-Spoon Legacy and a Racial Minority!

42-17432509IvyGate’s Guide to Admissions: Part II

Getting into an Ivy League school can be likened to winning the lottery: Pencil in a bunch of scantron bubbles, cross your fingers, pray to be struck by lightning. But instead of winning millions, you’re rolling the dice for the opportunity to impoverish your parents. (Or ruin your credit rating, or both!) Nevertheless, aspiring Ivy is a time-honored American pursuit, and no matter how improbable, impractical, and ultimately unpleasant the prize may be, thousands attempt it every year. Mostly, we do it for the free t-shirts.

What follows is IvyGate’s foolproof, guaranteed, 100%-success-or-your-money-back step-by-step guide to swindling your way into the school of your dreams.* Be warned: It isn’t always pretty, and a few of these steps (#3, section ii, second option) might make you go to hell.

1. Have perfect SAT scores, an off-the-chart GPA, amazing extracurriculars, leadership positions in everything, and the ability to leap tall buildings in a single bound. Duh. This one is a given, a prereq, if you will. Even the richest kid in the world won’t get in if he’s apt to flunk (or, more likely, drop) out.

2. Be from an insanely wealthy and/or well-connected family, preferably one with an Ivy League legacy. Apply early. While legacy admission standards aren’t as hilariously low as they used to be, a study by Princeton SOC professors Espenshade and Chung equates legacy status with a 160-point SAT boost (on a 1600-point scale) to the privileged few who definitely need it least. But that’s not what we’re talking about here. To guarantee admission, you need to be the child of a major donor, the kind who write seven-digit checks to their alma mater and have buildings named after them. One such Ivy Leaguer, the grandson of a prominent university trustee, told us about his admissions process, starting with an unconventional and star-studded campus tour:

my grandad flew to meet my dad & i [at the university], and i just figured that it was going to be a regular day of tours & walking around. however, when we got there we were met by a super friendly admissions guy. he took us on the regular tour, but then we ditched it because he said “it’s completely useless” (ironic, considering how much energy & money the university pumps into those tours) he took me around campus, and then brought me to meet a representative from the most popular department at the school, which i claimed to be interested in it. (later, i realized that he was one of the senior professors and chair of the undergraduate program) then they shuttled me over to the president’s office. i didn’t really GET that it was the president until they told me after we met. the meeting was brief, but looking back, it was quite an unbelievable opportunity. after lunch, we wandered around campus with another admissions rep, who told me all about undergraduate life.

After the jump: Anonymous Silver-Spooner (ASS) (Don’t be mad, ASS! We tease because we love/hate) continues his story and we offer five more tips for getting in.

As for his literal, ink-on-paper application, it was the same as anyone else’s:

[my grandfather] was definitely noted as an alumnus on my application – but not in any special way, just in that box where they ask you to denote any alumni relations. i submitted my application via Registered Mail (like everyone else…to make sure it got there), so there were no special addresses or markings on it.

This fits accounts from the Daily Beast’s admissions-side account. The admissions officer received ASS’s application was probably already familiar with his name, and knew to flag his app for whatever special treatment the Dean of Admissions prescribed. Would ASS have gotten in without his trustee grandpop?

i mean duh… there is no question that my connection helped me out. (i remember being worried at the time, but but looking back it was like “why was i ever for a SECOND concerned about not getting that ‘YES!’ letter?”) at the same time, i don’t think my grades & sat scores could’ve prevented me from getting in.
ASS reports little special treatment post-admissions:
i don’t think i really had any special treatment once i got in (living in [shitty dorm] freshman year really drives home that point) i think the only ‘special’ thing was that my adviser was eventually switched to the guy who chaired the department that i was, at the time, interested in. however, he was so useless that i would say that he made me a lot less interested in pursuing that path – i ended up choosing a totally opposite major.

3. Exploit your minority status, hide your white background, avoid being Asian.
Espenshade and Chung estimate a 230-point boost for African-Americans, 185 points for Hispanics, a 50-point deducation for Asian-Americans, and nothing for Whitey. Currently, the Common App allows students to self-identify multiple races or none at all; thus, the following guidelines:
  • i. Non-Asian Minorities: List your race in the section provided for it and devote at least one essay to race-related “grappling.” If possible, join an organization (preferrably a charitable one!) that focuses on your ethnic background and/or related backgrounds: Not only does this allow you to bring up your race more than once, it’ll help with all that grappling! Since you’re an Ivy-aspiring young’un, you should already be introspective and caring enough to do these things on your own. But if you’re among the dispassionately aggressive multitude that manages to take every Ivy League class by storm, you’ll be wise enough to fake it.
  • ii. White folk: You have two options. The first option is to be honest, check off the “White/Caucasian” bubble, and move on. The second option might make you go to hell, but if you want to go to Harvard, you’re probably into fiery torture, anyway. So: Fudge the truth. This could mean checking off the “Other” bubble. (Race is a social construct! We’re all “out of Africa,” anyway!) Alternately, you could take advantage of that one great-great-grandmother who might have been part Iroquois because she had the most gorgeous cheekbones. We spoke to a white, US-born child of Apartheid-era South Africans who identified himself as “African-American” on his application. No word on whether it ever came up. Of course, we’ll never know if it mattered, or if he got in on merit.
  • iii. Asians: You’re screwed. It’s not the negative-50 SAT points that will get you, it’s the nebulous world of underhanded anti-Asian discrimination that upper education can’t quite shake, of late. Part I of our guide saw an admissions officer snorting at “another Asian math genius with no personality.” This time, let’s try the account of a Yale student from the West Coast:
My interviewer complimented me as a breath of fresh air because he sees a lot of really smart Asian fellows come in with absolutely no personality, who just do well in school, and he laments that they don’t seem to have lives outside of school, making for really boring interviews. The funny thing is that I was pretty much exactly that throughout high school (except of Mexican heritage), but he just happened to catch all the wrong, “not-an-academic-recluse” signals from me.

While interviews are generally irrelevant (see #4) the sentiment is startlingly pervasive. Asians who want to beat the odds can decline to name their race, but it’s not like they won’t notice if your name is, say, Jian Li. If you feel like going to hell, try the fudging techniques listed in section ii. (As a mixed-Asian girl with a white name, I should probably note that race denial can turn its subjects into depressed, addled un-people and probably isn’t worth it. Then again, the sandblast of time may have dulled my memory of how it feels to be a desperately ambitious, upwardly-mobile eighteen-year-old, so my risk/reward calculus could be off.)


4. Know that your alumni interview is meaningless.
Did you really think Admissions cares about the opinion of some old guy who blathers about his roles in the campus comedy troupe and how much ass he got in college? Alumni interviews serve two purposes:
  • 1. Weed out total psychos (so avoid brandishing lethal objects and keep that theory about being the second coming of Jesus to yourself)
  • 2. Keep alumni enthusiastically involved (and paying their dues) in Alumni Clubs
In theory, an exceptionally glowing review could make a difference. In practice, alumni interviewers always give glowing reviews, because people who voluntarily spend their free time querying high school seniors about their hopes and dreams are also the ones who find stories about your high school debate team utterly fascinating. They think everyone and their three-legged dogs would benefit from a Cornell education. They’re like The X-Files: They want to believe.

5. Pimp your athletic skills, especially in sports that barely exist outside of upper education (crew, we’re looking at you). Apply early.
Espenshade and Chung estimate a 200-point SAT bonus to recruited athletes, which is roughly the same as Insider Higher Ed’s recent data on non-Ivy universities’ athletic admissions. Once admitted, you don’t even have to stay on the team—admissions are “merit-based” and financial aid is “need-based,” which means they can’t take away your admission or funding should you cut and run halfway through preseason training. A former varsity rower tells us recruitment is an easy game to play:

recruitment’s honestly a joke. i became a serious recruit at both brown and dartmouth just by emailing the coach. otherwise, coaches catch onto people at national regattas or whatever, but for the most part, smaller sports like crew are pretty easy to get recruited for if you’re any good at all and have the academics to back you up. i was recruited at dartmouth, brown, harvard, and colgate. i also reached out to yale and princeton but they didn’t seem too interested.

You might have to apply early, though. An article in yesterday’s The Dartmouth notes

“Coaches have a roster that they have to fill, so if you apply early, they know months in advance who they are getting and what positions they still need to fill,” Lauren Goodnow ‘12, a recruited track athlete said. “When I had recruits staying with me, they were all pressured to apply early decision.”

Recruited athletes make up 30 to 35 percent of the students admitted early decision to Dartmouth, according to Parish. Also, 18 to 19 percent of each incoming class are recruited athletes.


6. The Un-Legacy: First-generation college students as trendy new minority?
A growing interest in first-generation college students has reached the Ivy League: Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth recently added special resources for first-generation students, which means admissions awareness must also be increasing. From an admissions standpoint, first-generation students are attractive: They are likely quite self-motivated and parental education tends to correspond with socioeconomic status, which is among the many statuses Ivy League universities claim to care about these days. (Of course, the easiest way to quantify socioeconomic status would be to plug in everyone’s financial aid applications backwards, but for many reasons, some of which could—maybe—be related to step #2, they don’t do this.)
If anyone successfully completes all six tasks—you’d have to be the athletic and supremely intelligent offspring of a mega-philanthropic Ivy League graduate and a person who didn’t go to college, at least one of whom is a non-Asian minority, who has no qualms about exploiting his/her background and disregarding the kind words of aging alumni—you are officially the most powerful human in America, and we respectfully request to marry you. (Come to think of it, did we just describe Barack Obama?)

* IvyGate in no way endorses or accepts responsibility for applicants who take any of this advice, especially if they actually get into an Ivy League school, in which case they will likely spend the next four years of their lives in a self-hating funk, surviving on nothing but coffee, stale beer, and stress.

  • faryal

    this post sucks like hell
    Maureen O’Connor whoever this idiot is has no life and has to revert to stereotyping Asians. Let me kindly inform you one thing. Asians are much more of a “breath of fresh air” and “interesting” than you think. I was wrong when i clicked on this post and thought it could actually be of help. U suck

  • faryal

    this post sucks like hell
    Maureen O’Connor whoever this idiot is has no life and has to revert to stereotyping Asians. Let me kindly inform you one thing. Asians are much more of a “breath of fresh air” and “interesting” than you think. I was wrong when i clicked on this post and thought it could actually be of help. U suck

  • in shock

    It’s shocking that people actually waste time getting upset about these posts. As upsetting as the truth may be its still the truth. Affirmative action does exist whether you are for it or against it.

    To Friend of Negros:

    You are a very typical Asian. Narrow minded and defensive. What are you? Chinese? As sorry as I am to be part of this stereotyping I find it necessary to state that you follow the typical Chinese pattern of behaviour. You strive to make excuses for yourself by blaming everybody else for your own mistakes. You get defensive and because of your culture of censorship and simple mindedness you don’t see the bigger picture. My oh my look what Mao has done to you.

    On affirmative action… getting into an Ivy League school is difficult. And as seemingly unfair as it may seem I agree that it is somewhat necessary.

    Asians- you guys are diligent, hardworking and you make excellent grades. All the power to you! Of course there are those who are much, much more diverse and interesting than that. UNFORTUNATELY no matter how unfair it is people, especially Americans, will always stereotype you and too them you’ll just be the typical bookworm nerd. Prove them wrong! Maybe that stereotype actually has basis in fact. If you are Asian everyone expects you have good grades and to be good at violin and aspire to be a doctor. To be exceptional you have to prove that you are more than your good grades and music skills. BE EXCEPTIONAL

    I truly am shocked! I had every intention of pursuing ivy league but this post has changed my mind. Maybe I should start looking into Cambridge and Oxford.

  • in shock

    It’s shocking that people actually waste time getting upset about these posts. As upsetting as the truth may be its still the truth. Affirmative action does exist whether you are for it or against it.

    To Friend of Negros:

    You are a very typical Asian. Narrow minded and defensive. What are you? Chinese? As sorry as I am to be part of this stereotyping I find it necessary to state that you follow the typical Chinese pattern of behaviour. You strive to make excuses for yourself by blaming everybody else for your own mistakes. You get defensive and because of your culture of censorship and simple mindedness you don’t see the bigger picture. My oh my look what Mao has done to you.

    On affirmative action… getting into an Ivy League school is difficult. And as seemingly unfair as it may seem I agree that it is somewhat necessary.

    Asians- you guys are diligent, hardworking and you make excellent grades. All the power to you! Of course there are those who are much, much more diverse and interesting than that. UNFORTUNATELY no matter how unfair it is people, especially Americans, will always stereotype you and too them you’ll just be the typical bookworm nerd. Prove them wrong! Maybe that stereotype actually has basis in fact. If you are Asian everyone expects you have good grades and to be good at violin and aspire to be a doctor. To be exceptional you have to prove that you are more than your good grades and music skills. BE EXCEPTIONAL

    I truly am shocked! I had every intention of pursuing ivy league but this post has changed my mind. Maybe I should start looking into Cambridge and Oxford.

  • you go girlfriend

    In shock:

    You go girlfriend

  • you go girlfriend

    In shock:

    You go girlfriend

  • Columbia12

    LOL @inshock – if you want racial diversity, welcoming athmospheres and a liberal attitude from people, DO NOT go to Oxbridge. :D

  • Columbia12

    LOL @inshock – if you want racial diversity, welcoming athmospheres and a liberal attitude from people, DO NOT go to Oxbridge. :D

  • admitted

    I just wanted to say thanks for affirmative action, you struggled to maintain a 4.0 average went to the best private schools and the bam nothing nada I took your spot. I love affirmation it rocks.
    I hope it was your spot that I took Friend of Negros. I didn’t even want to go to a ivy league. haha

    • Bobsee42

      you are a complete jackass.
      you are why so many people don’t like affirmative action.
      i hope you flunk out, that would teach you a lesson.

    • poof

      Wow, you really didn’t deserve to get in. “I just wanted to say thanks for affirmative action…”

  • admitted

    I just wanted to say thanks for affirmative action, you struggled to maintain a 4.0 average went to the best private schools and the bam nothing nada I took your spot. I love affirmation it rocks.
    I hope it was your spot that I took Friend of Negros. I didn’t even want to go to a ivy league. haha

  • Grace

    Metropolitan Says:
    January 14th, 2009 at 1:25 am
    “I just don’t understand why people complain about affirmative action as if something is being taken away from them. I understand that we all have our expectations given our credentials and we live in a meritocratic society, but the fact is: NO ONE IS GUARANTEED ADMISSION BASED ON GPAs and TEST SCORES. I know it seems rational from the standpoint of an Asian student with a 3.9 and a 2370 on the SATs to wonder why he was denied admission when a non-Asian minority with less impressive credentials was admitted, but it’s ridiculous to feel so entitled that you complain that someone’s taken something from you when they’re a part of the same process. The fact is, even if Asians think they’re being denied admission when they would otherwise get in, it’s not fair for non-Asian minorities to be labeled as making it harder for Asians. It was the admissions committee that denied you, not the peers in your applicant pool and private universities, such as those in the Ivy League, can exercise their prerogative and interpret affirmative action in what they feel is their best interest. Getting into college is NOT about test scores and GPAs. I’m a non-Asian minority who did well in high school and was probably 20% and I’m thriving at my Ivy. So,here is my takeaway: SHUT THE FUCK UP already about being disadvantaged by affirmative action. Maybe the reason you weren’t admitted is because the other “less-qualified” student has the potential to be the next Barack Obama while your bookworm, awkward ass is only impressive in numbers and not in person. I’m sick of people undervaluing the worth of minority students in elite universities because, for some reason, people think that a group’s lower numbers, on average, translates to lesser academic success. People need to stop being bitter and realize that high school grades and SAT scores don’t mean shit when you consider the big picture, which is what college is about.”

    Meredith,
    This is single-handedly the most profound statement ever made regarding admissions to ivys.
    P.S. I’m Asian and I totally agree with what you’re saying.

    • Avadakedavra94

      You are an asshole I hope you know that. Colleges already look at EC’s and sports and things like that as criteria. So a “dull boring asian” is pretty hopeless from the start. Affirmative action is completely against the civil rights acts, and it DOES discriminate and help others based on race. If you think your more qualified than another person, why can’t we all just apply race-blind and see how we do? huh? Your a racist and ignorant jerk, and whatever “ivy” accepted you must have no proper admissions criterion to admit you especially with your grammar… ha.

  • Grace

    Metropolitan Says:
    January 14th, 2009 at 1:25 am
    “I just don’t understand why people complain about affirmative action as if something is being taken away from them. I understand that we all have our expectations given our credentials and we live in a meritocratic society, but the fact is: NO ONE IS GUARANTEED ADMISSION BASED ON GPAs and TEST SCORES. I know it seems rational from the standpoint of an Asian student with a 3.9 and a 2370 on the SATs to wonder why he was denied admission when a non-Asian minority with less impressive credentials was admitted, but it’s ridiculous to feel so entitled that you complain that someone’s taken something from you when they’re a part of the same process. The fact is, even if Asians think they’re being denied admission when they would otherwise get in, it’s not fair for non-Asian minorities to be labeled as making it harder for Asians. It was the admissions committee that denied you, not the peers in your applicant pool and private universities, such as those in the Ivy League, can exercise their prerogative and interpret affirmative action in what they feel is their best interest. Getting into college is NOT about test scores and GPAs. I’m a non-Asian minority who did well in high school and was probably 20% and I’m thriving at my Ivy. So,here is my takeaway: SHUT THE FUCK UP already about being disadvantaged by affirmative action. Maybe the reason you weren’t admitted is because the other “less-qualified” student has the potential to be the next Barack Obama while your bookworm, awkward ass is only impressive in numbers and not in person. I’m sick of people undervaluing the worth of minority students in elite universities because, for some reason, people think that a group’s lower numbers, on average, translates to lesser academic success. People need to stop being bitter and realize that high school grades and SAT scores don’t mean shit when you consider the big picture, which is what college is about.”

    Meredith,
    This is single-handedly the most profound statement ever made regarding admissions to ivys.
    P.S. I’m Asian and I totally agree with what you’re saying.

  • para

    I thought it would be more advantageous to get accepted to an ivy university if one is from a low-income family. Does being wealthy really matter for a prestigious ivy university?
    I’m Persian and I’m so confused about what to put for my race. Definitely, I don’t like to choose white. Any idea about persians?

  • para

    I thought it would be more advantageous to get accepted to an ivy university if one is from a low-income family. Does being wealthy really matter for a prestigious ivy university?
    I’m Persian and I’m so confused about what to put for my race. Definitely, I don’t like to choose white. Any idea about persians?

  • yar

    I’m Asian and I’m against affirmative action.

    I don’t think of it like “black kids are crowding out Asian kids” though. First, it’s unfair to lump together the case of the “affirmative action is required” and the case of “I seriously worked my butt off to try to impress and be qualified for these Ivies, I just happen to be a non-Asian minority.” Seriously, it’s not as though they’re randomly picking non-Asian minorities off the streets. Plus, furthermore, it’s probably Asian kids who are crowding out Asian kids. It’s pretty much the college admissions office’s fault for just using affirmative action.

    By the way, kudos to H12.

    Metropolitan, maybe they picked the next Obama who ends India-Pakistan and Israel-pretty-much-all-Middle-Eastern-countries-other-than-Egypt conflicts to get into the Ivy by denying someone who literally only had SAT scores to show off, and maybe your entrance into whichever Ivy you went to caused that Asian kid to run off to M.I.T. and maybe cure cancer, but I know that you sure as hell aren’t the next Obama. And when you say “I’m sick of people undervaluing the worth of minority students in elite universities” you seem to be unaware that the word “minority” would include Asians. I’m so racially offended by your comments I don’t really know what to say from here. I’m truly doubting the efficacy of college interviews at “Weeding out total psychos” or at least complete dicks. All I can say is get off your racist ass, at least before you make fun of an Asian guy for being “nerdy, bookwormish, awkward” while there is a (insert whatever ethnicity you would like here) guy (or girl) well trained in martial arts, and very pissed off by your bigotry…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DK7ZJMNNQLEJU5AY3ZPXTFLI6Y Sam

      Wow you seriously think Obama has ended all the conflicts in southwest Asia? You are defending all of Asia except the part Americans call the “middle east”? Maybe you should stop expressing your ignorance in the guise of progressiveness with such arrogance.

  • yar

    I’m Asian and I’m against affirmative action.

    I don’t think of it like “black kids are crowding out Asian kids” though. First, it’s unfair to lump together the case of the “affirmative action is required” and the case of “I seriously worked my butt off to try to impress and be qualified for these Ivies, I just happen to be a non-Asian minority.” Seriously, it’s not as though they’re randomly picking non-Asian minorities off the streets. Plus, furthermore, it’s probably Asian kids who are crowding out Asian kids. It’s pretty much the college admissions office’s fault for just using affirmative action.

    By the way, kudos to H12.

    Metropolitan, maybe they picked the next Obama who ends India-Pakistan and Israel-pretty-much-all-Middle-Eastern-countries-other-than-Egypt conflicts to get into the Ivy by denying someone who literally only had SAT scores to show off, and maybe your entrance into whichever Ivy you went to caused that Asian kid to run off to M.I.T. and maybe cure cancer, but I know that you sure as hell aren’t the next Obama. And when you say “I’m sick of people undervaluing the worth of minority students in elite universities” you seem to be unaware that the word “minority” would include Asians. I’m so racially offended by your comments I don’t really know what to say from here. I’m truly doubting the efficacy of college interviews at “Weeding out total psychos” or at least complete dicks. All I can say is get off your racist ass, at least before you make fun of an Asian guy for being “nerdy, bookwormish, awkward” while there is a (insert whatever ethnicity you would like here) guy (or girl) well trained in martial arts, and very pissed off by your bigotry…

  • Rita

    No, because when people imagine Asians, they imagine Chinese or Japanese people. Nobody really recognizes Indians as Asians.

  • Fuck IVY

    no one here would ever get in to Ivy- because of this stupid comments……..n e way ….why so buzz for Ivy—– I study in Manchester, i guess its better than n e Ivy…….

  • Gina

    Nothing you wrote makes any sense. You wrote, “high school grades and SAT scores don't mean s***”. But you got into Ivy because of your grades and SATs. So it must have been a mistake that your school admitted you. I guess when someone is bitter that she got into a school despite being less qualified has to rationalize it somehow. I feel sorry for you.

  • lolbuttslol

    Actually, yeah. There are plenty of rumbugasdf

  • Marie 1709

    brilliant post. I find it very informative and will definately keep these things in mind. On question, what if your half portuguese and indian ?

  • Yervand

    Wow this is one of the worst posts I have ever been doomed to read. Highly irrelevant and misleading along with pathetic self-contained opinionated biases. Whoever the author of this is, I have one thing to say to you. Please do not humiliate yourself any further by your asinine difference of opinion.

    • Leeya Ulibarri

      Oh. My. God. Everyone who’s commenting on this post, talking about how stupid it is, is an absolute moron.

      It’s called sarcasm/satire, people. Jeez. Humor much?

  • Naija

    Gooness! All this hatred for a group of people?

  • A+

    This is such a stupid post…………….most of this is just useless. I can't believe I thought this would help me in any sort of way………………and Asians are NOT dull and boring, and they definitely have a life. Whoever wrote this article should really get a life, and should stop making stuff up and discriminating people!

    • Elifer

      are you asian? of course theyre not boring. its just that if you dont know them, one kim is the same as another.

    • Pw-Y-07

      It’s not his fault, it’s a fact.

    • Emily Bannon

      looks like this A+ wont be breaching the ivy league any time soon!

    • Aishadevilsangel

      you are absolutely right… the words above make no sense. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD Asians are much more  SMARTER than those who have wasted their time writing this rubbish!!!!! 

      • Professor Grammar

        Much more smarter?

        Check your grammar on that one.

        • Artemisfowl690

          nothings wrong you filthy hoghead.

    • baawk

      Of course it’s useless. I took it as a joke. Did you really think you could get into an ivy league school by reading an advice post? That makes me doubt your credentials. All of this is really true, by the way. Just don’t take it seriously because the underlying message is that NO ONE can achieve all of these qualities. And if you couldn’t pick up that message, chances are you’re not getting into an ivy league.

    • Chido

      i agree this is stupid and l really need to find out what l need to do to be able to get into an Ivy  League College. Im kinda preparing myself early cause right now lm 16 but its never too early to prepare myself for my choice of education. Please can someone give me anything more useful besides the info above. P.S l am African and its harder for us to achieve all their high standards and l want this more than anything in my life.

      • AfricanSpear

        I feel yo brother. I to am African and want to excel in academics. I’m on the football team and do wrestling and track and have A’s and B’s. i do volunteer work for children who are disabled. I hope this will be enough to take me through. i try hard to be like the Asian and Indian counterparts but resistance is futile. i just want to be a doctor like my Mom. i want to make a hospital with new technology to help people all over the world. I don’t want to sound like a whiner either.

    • lmb

      they totally weren’t discriminating against you, don’t take it personal.  They were giving the hard honest facts that college authorities look at.

    • mike

       lol @ this humorless asian robodrone totally missing the sarcasm in this article.

    • student

      are you dumb? just because the author was being honest doesn’t mean it’s stupid. I’m asian so I know what he means when he describes the school only type, and it’s very true. There are many asians who don’t have a life beyond school and those are the type of people that these Universities don’t like. Its a statistical fact, and the point system depending on race was very true, like I said, I am (technically) asian, I have to compete with the kids in China and India and on top of that, I have to compete with all the studious chinese and indians who emigrate. They can only have a 3rd of their students be ‘asian’ which considering our huge population gives us cut-throat competition. This author does not make stuff up, instead he/she answers honestly and logically for readers to make the rational decisions when it comes to applying

    • Larrywhell

      I heard that most of the ivy schools were finding out that Hispanics offered a more diverse background than Asians and they were headed in that direction.

    • Edward

      agrrrrreeed

  • 1980sdevotee

    Hilarious comments! Post sucked.

  • Asian

    Indians have their own sub-continent. You guys are happy where you guys are, and calling Indians Asian is politically incorrect, althought i think it is technically a reasonable idea.

  • Asian

    They are not skewed in that they are looking for talented and constantly-motivated kids, but it is generally known that they avoid accepting stereotypical asians who only have perfect SAT scores without personalities. Face it! A vast majority of Asians are quiet bookworms, and for those who are not, congrats! You guys are outliers.

  • Mary

    omg i was thinking about that, Im not asian or any of that but wouldn't cambridge and oxford be harder and more expensive to get into. Im only a junior is h.s and im just trying to see where I might go.

  • Mary

    wow people on here are kinda racist. how useless to the world they are. Its a pity

  • Btl Incirkus

    omfg!!! this site sucks I can't believe I spent time reading this shit. the writer is an ignorant fuck!!

  • Fuck_you

    as ugly as fuck

  • @comrade

    Usually, Southwest Asians are considered white, rather than Asian.

  • Terrible article

    Wow this article is HORRIBLE..I google searched “how to get into an Ivy” and this is what I get? This is terribly offensive.

    “Seriously, it's not as though they're randomly picking non-Asian minorities off the streets. Plus, furthermore, it's probably Asian kids who are crowding out Asian kids.”

    Exxxxactly. Im, African American / second generation Jamaican American, and I think first and foremost people need to realize this. To be honest I think the whole ” recognized minority (non asian) will always get the leg up in the end ” thing is a ploy to create animosity between different groups(even more counterproductive minority groups)…At the end of the day colleges look for diversity regardless of whether they participate in affirmative action or not…Personally I think most of the people who have a problem with affirmative action never took the time to research what it was. I have…i've never ONCE seen the word quota come up..i've seen PREFERENCE…And I've learned about the statistical wonders it did for woman, non Christian foreigners, and minorities (including Asians[they are minorities in case people didn't know]). I'm not against it, but i wouldnt fight to keep it going either, because all it does is give SOME white people and other groups, including the middle class, some other excuse not to fess up on inequalities and to be able to attribute a minority's success to the fact that he's a minority. Currently college educated hispanics & blacks have a higher unemployment rate than college educated whites. Where the fuck is affirmative action? Thats why I feel like its not worth the fuss and aggravation. Its not even helping out educated minorities, those with higher socioeconomic status. In fact their rate is close to the unemployment rate for non college educated whites. Which negates the education minorities striven so hard to get.Which goes to show which group is actually recognized and non recognized/ advantage or disadvantaged…<–You see you can believe what I just wrote or not . Essentially that's what people say when they say being a minority is a get into Ivy League free card.No, being rich and powerful is (George W. bush for example). People need to accept the fact that life is hard regardless. We're Americans and blessed for it, but nobody gets handouts regardless of which race or ethnic group you're from. Some needless to say have it a little less worst…The “affirmative action/preference” to me lies in the eyes of those in charge of admissions..this article clearly admits their own personal bias..”another dull asian”..wow. I went to one of the best , prestigious high schools in my city and I have several distinguished peers that applied to Harvard and got rejected fast as hell in an hand basket… alot of universities dont participate in affirmative action..but if a black or hispanic was to get into one (a prestigious one)..it HAS to be affirmative action…NO they were distinguish and capable.. DEAL WITH IT..Saying certain groups can ONLY advance with leg ups is RACIST…I know for a fact that even without affirmative action people will probably still use that as a defense mechanism…”damn, he got into Harvard and I didnt….well..well…well ITS ALL BECAUSE HES BLACK “<–no kid, its because he's smarter than you. Accept it . Move on and strive to be as intelligent as him. And one day you're dedication might be rewarded.

  • No2CronyCapitalism

    Any category for Middle-East? Seems to be generally where it's at geographically.

  • No2CronyCapitalism

    Skulls and Boneses code SHHHH!!!!

  • Anon

    I don't understand why people fight on a blog post.

  • Gonzo

    I agree with Reason “excellent post”. Explains how some Ivy alums boned the economy so badly, too.

  • nburg

    This is the worst post about harvard I have ever seen. I want to get into Harvard because I want to be a politician that is absolutely driven by the appropriate citizens. I'm seriously ready to be the politician everyone has been waiting for. One that doesn't make any decisions until there is a national vote. That's true democracy.

    • Dinklesabb5

      except we’re a republic…

    • Tim

      the united states isnt a democracy

    • Pw-Y-07

      Sorry to say, but you’re probably not going to get into Harvard… You went totally of tangent on your reply, and you brag about something completely trivial to all of our lives. You’re not getting into Harvard, and you’re not going to be a great citizen… You share the same view as about 80% of Americans. Good Job~ you’re really changing this world. By the way getting into Harvard won’t make you a better politician.
      This post was helpful and insightful, even thought it may not have been helpful to you directly. Stop being so provincial. You haughty bigot. By the way those are SAT words, better learn those before you apply to Harvard.

      • O_oW

        Wow. Get off your fucking high horse.

    • Catlover139

      Thats what they all say in the begining they the cash comes in and they forget thier morals. What this country needs is to get rid of all the greedy people and ” flying money” problems and become a country that produces goods to the world like in world war one we have to feed off other countries mistakes as other countries are feeding off of ours.

    • Jeanniemoore

      You’ll make a great politician…you like other politicans dont know we were never a democracy. ” I pledge allegiance to the flag of the US of A, and to the REPUBLIC, for  which it stands…” Actually we are becoming a socialist country …by the time you try to become a politician it will be too late:)

    • A1984niceguy

      no hate but politician isnt a prize role and shouldnt require high priced “education”  to work for the people
      get to know the citizens , learn of their issues i.e income , healthcare , real education , housing and inflation vs. underpaid work i.e mcd’s and other similar industries that strip people dry of their spirit and personality and aspirations by perpetually underpaying them to the point it costs more to go to work than collect welfare and not work

    • Edwardlee

      Yea I’ll BET I’ll see you up there when we vote for the stinking, filthy maggots.

    • Edwardlee

      you sound like a pouting preschooler who knows absolutely nothing about the world. maybe you should get another job, like a businessman. I’ll bet you’ll sound super convincing…

    • Hankevs

      Everybody, let us give a national vote for this young gentleman. We, the people of the United States of America, pledge to nburg that he should shut his boasting mouth, or we would stuff it with the dirtiest sock ever to be found. Everybody, let us give our young politician a choice. Either to spend a day with a sock in his mouth, or to shut up and get the hell out of here.

      • Edwardlee

        I vote for him to be stuffed in his mouth with my sock.

      • Dancegirl2626

        and mine. he’ll love mine. i wiggled my lovely feet in it.

        • Hankevs

          Now please, my dear lady. What you’ve said makes me throw up.

    • Guest

       you don’t deserve to be within a mile of elected office, moron

  • ivyOVERRATED

    whether you wana believe it or not its true. college admission officers would rather a minority thats not asian because statistics show that these are the ones with the highest SAT scores yet when you meet them theres nothing special just someone whos focused on school and doesnt have a life. white kids are also given the disadvantage. although the author of this post used some language that i wouldnt agree with i wouldnt say that hes racist because demographics definitely has a huge part of it.

    ex: the white female salutatorian in my school with 102% average (AP Classes), a bunch of extracurriculars and the most well-rounded student was denied admission to Vassar College. Yet a black male student of the same school with a 93% average, lower SAT scores and less ecs than the salutatorian gained admission to Vassar. Note: had an EFC of 0. therefore it has been proven true. not only did i see it with my own eyes but if you talk to your college counselor they will tell you the same thing. there are more females in college than guys therefore there is a bonus for men right there because colleges are dying for men in their school because less of them are motivated to go to college than females. more men= more funding. next, the majority race in colleges is white. plain and simple (i know its harsh) but they already have alot white people they would love some more diversity. however asians in college will not give you as much funding than being hispanic, lack, indian will.

    affirmative action was made to knock down the barriers existing in order to allow those in the past history to become successful. simply put it, its like giving blacks their 40 acres and a mule that was owed to them, and apologizing to the indians for their harsh treatment, and trying to imperialize parts of spain. its apologizing to the races for giving them a hard time in the past.

    p.s. asians are better off elaborating on their race when it comes to college applications. when college admission officers see asian the first thing they think of is chinese. however NEVER LIE! they will find out if you say your black & ur not people actually get their admission withdrawn for lying. ex: check asian and it the other box if your japanese, philipino or indian write that.

    • Pw-Y-07

      Thank the lord for someone with some sense in them.

  • ivyOVERRATED

    TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION: you put other and elaborate. dont put white because your not caucasian your persian and that will help you.

    Second, it goes both ways if your from a low income family it can help you. OR Hurt you depending on the school and how much finaid they have available. if your rich it also helps b/c that could mean that the school can get funding through your tuition. OR Hurt you b/c some people would invest money into that school if they have too many rich kids.

    EVERYTHING IS MONEY RELATED!

  • Ivy

    Although this post did show to be invalid in many ways, saying that “no one here would ever get into ivy” is an invalid, rude, and incredibly stupid comment. “Manchester is better than any Ivy”- according to whom? YOU? The person who cannot even spell out the words 'any'? I'd like to here the opinion of an actual intellectual rather than you, who seems to not be taking their so-called Manchester education seriously.

    • EyeLean5280

      Dear Ivy,

      If you’re going to call someone out on spelling and grammar, you’d better be 100% yourself (and yeah, I saw you know how to use “whom.” Congratulations. Now proofread the rest of your post).

  • Qwertyui

    thank u very much

  • rogermoore

    that it what they thought during the French Revolution…… and look what happened there. Direct Democracy does work for most issues, hence there are constitutions which create laws by which government must abide by to govern.

    • EyeLean5280

      Direct democracy works for most issues? I guess you haven’t read Thucydides. And back then, the issues were pretty simple: should Athens execute the entire population of a restive colony, or not? How on earth do you figure the American public is informed enough on all the myriad intricate domestic and international questions to competently micromanage national policy?

  • Guest

    Please stop lumping an entire race of people together. Simple mindedness, really? Fuck you.

  • Guest

    I find it quite funny how many people take this perhaps a little too seriously.

  • ZH

    Wow, if any of this has any sense of truth to it, I am glad I can be given a chance. Although I’d feel extremely bad that I would take the place of a person that’s struggled through their lives, I honestly would love to give it a shot at an Ivy school. Definitely regretting what I’ve done to my grades up to 11th grade, cause I never had anything to aspire to until last year.

  • frank

    assians are like the smartests people on earth they are freeking geniuses

  • sadly underqualified :[

    this totally sucks im 15, white/ 1 fourth middle-eastern, my parents combined income is very low, im not in honnors classes and i REALLY want to get into princeto. I dont reaaly have any connectiond but my grandpa was a succesful chemistry professer at seaton hall, a catholic college in NJ. Can that help me out? Im really confused on hat classes to take. I would like to major in phsycology or something along the lines of neuroscience. I live in Arizona an go to a decent public school. I dont know if i will be able to establish a relationship with my counselor because their are SO many students. HELP ME! But hey at least im not Asain, (no offense im definately not racist) they just really have the odds stacked against them. Good luck to everyone!!!

    • Neil

      Sadly …, buddy, if I were you I would pretend to be basically middle eastern and poor. Distance yourself from that grandfather and become a first generation literate or something. I strongly suspect that an Arabic sounding name will not hurt. Load your background with everything that has a negative connotation in the minds of an upper middle class kid. Then reach for the skies with that neuro-science angle!

  • GoingForTheImpossible

    I find this post absolutely wonderful(even though it didn’t exactly help me the way I wanted)
    It was entertaining and I think it made good points somewhere along the way. Coming from a person searching to get into an Ivy school, that will, most likely, drain me of life and humor, I find it nice to get a good laugh before condemning myself to this quest.

  • GoingForTheImpossible

    I find this post absolutely wonderful(even though it didn’t exactly help me the way I wanted)
    It was entertaining and I think it made good points somewhere along the way. Coming from a person searching to get into an Ivy school, that will, most likely, drain me of life and humor, I find it nice to get a good laugh before condemning myself to this quest.