Comments on: Lost Tenenbaum Child Shown the Door at Yale http://www.ivygateblog.com/2008/07/lost-tennenbaum-child-shown-the-door-at-yale/ You just spent 40 grand. Treat yourself. Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:24:54 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.ivygateblog.com/2008/07/lost-tennenbaum-child-shown-the-door-at-yale/comment-page-1/#comment-18714 Anonymous Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:42:51 +0000 http://www.ivygateblog.com/?p=1238#comment-18714 I graduated from Yale's MFA program, her art is really not up to par with the kind of work being produced by others -at all-. Expelling her is the right decision (I cant even believe she got in... really). I graduated from Yale’s MFA program, her art is really not up to par with the kind of work being produced by others -at all-. Expelling her is the right decision (I cant even believe she got in… really).

]]> By: yalebait http://www.ivygateblog.com/2008/07/lost-tennenbaum-child-shown-the-door-at-yale/comment-page-1/#comment-16636 yalebait Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:48:42 +0000 http://www.ivygateblog.com/?p=1238#comment-16636 Oh yeah.. "“In my previous educational experience, the teachers (at Cal State) were very helpful and I expected it to be that way at Yale. In reality, their actions indicated that they are not concerned about their students, only about their own reputation,” Osberg said." EXACTLY. That's correct. And that is what you sign up for when you go to art school at Yale. You sign up for reputation-flinging and competitiveness and art-world finishing school, and you (or at least everyone else in your graduating class) go in knowing that. This is kind of what they mean by immature - but it's more like, naive. Oh yeah.. ““In my previous educational experience, the teachers (at Cal State) were very helpful and I expected it to be that way at Yale. In reality, their actions indicated that they are not concerned about their students, only about their own reputation,” Osberg said.”

EXACTLY. That’s correct. And that is what you sign up for when you go to art school at Yale. You sign up for reputation-flinging and competitiveness and art-world finishing school, and you (or at least everyone else in your graduating class) go in knowing that. This is kind of what they mean by immature – but it’s more like, naive.

]]> By: yalebait http://www.ivygateblog.com/2008/07/lost-tennenbaum-child-shown-the-door-at-yale/comment-page-1/#comment-16635 yalebait Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:44:49 +0000 http://www.ivygateblog.com/?p=1238#comment-16635 Yes, most Yale College students are Osberg's age, and are immature. But they are UNDERGRADUATES. By "immaturity," the school is in fact talking about her artistic ability and not her personal conduct. From what I've observed socially, Osberg is probably one of the most poised, quiet, mature-<i>behaving</i> teenage people on campus. That doesn't mean her artwork is there yet, but she, personally, is fine. Osberg is a graduate student, and that is the difference - if she were an undergrad painting major, the maturity and development of her work wouldn't be an issue (I've seen the undergrads' paintings, and they are at more or less the same level. Shvarts' controversial piece seems to be an exception both in its... well, controversy... and in its performance-based format.) Maybe the solution is to offer her undergraduate admission as a painting major, and let her paint where she belongs right now - in a supportive environment with the other 19 year olds! Yes, most Yale College students are Osberg’s age, and are immature. But they are UNDERGRADUATES.

By “immaturity,” the school is in fact talking about her artistic ability and not her personal conduct. From what I’ve observed socially, Osberg is probably one of the most poised, quiet, mature-behaving teenage people on campus. That doesn’t mean her artwork is there yet, but she, personally, is fine.

Osberg is a graduate student, and that is the difference – if she were an undergrad painting major, the maturity and development of her work wouldn’t be an issue (I’ve seen the undergrads’ paintings, and they are at more or less the same level. Shvarts’ controversial piece seems to be an exception both in its… well, controversy… and in its performance-based format.)

Maybe the solution is to offer her undergraduate admission as a painting major, and let her paint where she belongs right now – in a supportive environment with the other 19 year olds!

]]> By: Love Will Bring Us Together - Yale Hosts High Profile Christian-Muslim Conference > A Common Word, guest editors, religion, Yale | IvyGate http://www.ivygateblog.com/2008/07/lost-tennenbaum-child-shown-the-door-at-yale/comment-page-1/#comment-16615 Love Will Bring Us Together - Yale Hosts High Profile Christian-Muslim Conference > A Common Word, guest editors, religion, Yale | IvyGate Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:55:15 +0000 http://www.ivygateblog.com/?p=1238#comment-16615 [...] High Profile Christian-Muslim Conference by Juli Min | July 28, 2008 at 11:55 pm Yale may enjoy throwing students out just for kicks.  But starting tomorrow and continuing till Thursday, the University Divinity School will be [...] [...] High Profile Christian-Muslim Conference by Juli Min | July 28, 2008 at 11:55 pm Yale may enjoy throwing students out just for kicks.  But starting tomorrow and continuing till Thursday, the University Divinity School will be [...]

]]> By: Prodigygate Part III: In Which Osberg Actually Files a Lawsuit > annabel osberg, art, guest editors, lawsuits, prodigies, Yale | IvyGate http://www.ivygateblog.com/2008/07/lost-tennenbaum-child-shown-the-door-at-yale/comment-page-1/#comment-16506 Prodigygate Part III: In Which Osberg Actually Files a Lawsuit > annabel osberg, art, guest editors, lawsuits, prodigies, Yale | IvyGate Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:23:49 +0000 http://www.ivygateblog.com/?p=1238#comment-16506 [...] Osberg Actually Files a Lawsuit by Mike Bechek | July 16, 2008 at 12:23 am When child art prodigy Annabel Osberg told the television last week that she was going to take Yale to court for kicking her out of its [...] [...] Osberg Actually Files a Lawsuit by Mike Bechek | July 16, 2008 at 12:23 am When child art prodigy Annabel Osberg told the television last week that she was going to take Yale to court for kicking her out of its [...]

]]> By: Hahvahd12 http://www.ivygateblog.com/2008/07/lost-tennenbaum-child-shown-the-door-at-yale/comment-page-1/#comment-16438 Hahvahd12 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:33:38 +0000 http://www.ivygateblog.com/?p=1238#comment-16438 IvyGate, I'm demanding that you follow up on this story in a few weeks, I want to see what's *really* going on here! IvyGate, I’m demanding that you follow up on this story in a few weeks, I want to see what’s *really* going on here!

]]> By: Y11 http://www.ivygateblog.com/2008/07/lost-tennenbaum-child-shown-the-door-at-yale/comment-page-1/#comment-16433 Y11 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:33:52 +0000 http://www.ivygateblog.com/?p=1238#comment-16433 If immaturity were a legit reason to drop students, half the Yale college population would be expelled... so I'm PRETTY sure there was something else at work here. Faking multiple abortions isn't immature, it's simply psychotic... but granted, that seems like a fair reason too. Knowing Shvartz's tendency to go back on her word, though, the last thing the admins wanted was a lawsuit. You would think this should have merited the same reaction. The point is, I don't trust the Register and am sure the girl is just dissing the school Deresiewicz-style because she's pissed. Understandably so, but nevertheless. You pay a term in advance, that's how it works pretty much everywhere. If immaturity were a legit reason to drop students, half the Yale college population would be expelled… so I’m PRETTY sure there was something else at work here. Faking multiple abortions isn’t immature, it’s simply psychotic… but granted, that seems like a fair reason too. Knowing Shvartz’s tendency to go back on her word, though, the last thing the admins wanted was a lawsuit. You would think this should have merited the same reaction.

The point is, I don’t trust the Register and am sure the girl is just dissing the school Deresiewicz-style because she’s pissed. Understandably so, but nevertheless. You pay a term in advance, that’s how it works pretty much everywhere.

]]> By: Hahvahd12 http://www.ivygateblog.com/2008/07/lost-tennenbaum-child-shown-the-door-at-yale/comment-page-1/#comment-16432 Hahvahd12 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:20:37 +0000 http://www.ivygateblog.com/?p=1238#comment-16432 How can you get dropped for lack of maturity? Is that even legal? I mean, they accepted her, she works for a year, and then their like, "oh, you're sorta young, toodles!" It seems like faking multiple abortions for the sake of "art" is pretty immature, but that chick graduated. How can you get dropped for lack of maturity? Is that even legal? I mean, they accepted her, she works for a year, and then their like, “oh, you’re sorta young, toodles!”
It seems like faking multiple abortions for the sake of “art” is pretty immature, but that chick graduated.

]]> By: Tully http://www.ivygateblog.com/2008/07/lost-tennenbaum-child-shown-the-door-at-yale/comment-page-1/#comment-16430 Tully Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:11:09 +0000 http://www.ivygateblog.com/?p=1238#comment-16430 Question: Is the portrait of the Girl surrounded by paintings a photo or a painting? I can't really tell. If it is a painting, give this girl her MFA. Otherwise don't. The last three seem ok, but not great. Certainly not self-induced abortion blood mural great. Question: Is the portrait of the Girl surrounded by paintings a photo or a painting? I can’t really tell. If it is a painting, give this girl her MFA. Otherwise don’t. The last three seem ok, but not great. Certainly not self-induced abortion blood mural great.

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