Zeta Psi Pledges “Love Yale Sluts,” Women’s Center Pledges to Sue
Following a frat stunt picturing twelve alleged Zeta Psis with a sign reading WE LOVE YALE SLUTS by the Yale Women’s Center, the Women’s Center is threatening to sue. YWC publicist Valerie Steinberg (‘09) was unable to provide details regarding who they are suing, and for what crime, but she confirmed that the YWC board sent the following email to its list:
From: Yale Women’s Center
Date: Jan 21, 2008 10:50 AM
Subject: This Time We Sue
To: [redacted]Dear Yale,
The photograph below was taken during a recent Yale fraternity initiation. This is sexual harassment. Lawyers have been consulted, and we are taking legal action.
If you are unwilling to be enrolled in a school where woman-hating is a subject of pride, email yalewomenscenter@gmail.com now. We will keep you informed.
“WE LOVE YALE SLUTS” Uploaded to facebook.com January 16, 2008.
Sincerely,
The Yale Women’s Center Board
The email included the original photo, which we provide in high resolution after the jump. No word yet from the brothers, but since Yale’s Zeta Psi happens to be presidential granddaddy Prescott Bush’s alma mater (frater?), we’ll just assume they have secret society influence and shadowy henchmen will be descending on the YWC to hush its noisy broads up shortly.
Interestingly, Zeta Psi is among the soon-to-be-reinstated Dartmouth frats that has Hanover’s proverbial panties all in a bundle.
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January 21st, 2008 at 7:18 pm
I hate it when law-illiterate morons threaten to take legal action against people for non-crimes. Get your act together Yale Women’s Center.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:37 pm
I hate it when ignorant morons hold up a sign that is derogatory to women in front of the parent organization of the support group for rape victims on campus. The Yale Women’s Center should clearly respond to this photograph. There is a case to be made for sexual harassment here, and sexual harassment is a crime. Get your act together, Zeta Psi.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:49 pm
sexual harassment involves a hostile or abusive work/educational environment. this is both hostile and abusive.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Dear “D’10″I feel beholden to report that the Supreme Court disagrees with your interpretation of what is and what is not sexual harassment. In its 1999 decision, Davis v. Monroe County Bd. of Educ., (119 S.Ct. 1661), the Court extended the liability of Title IX to include “student-on-student” sexual harassment.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:04 pm
who were these guys sexually harassing?
January 21st, 2008 at 8:07 pm
This is CLEARLY sexual harassment. This is a disgusting demonstration of misogyny and biggotry- I hope that the Yale Women’s Center takes Zeta Psi down.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Keep your laws off my 3rd way feminism!
January 21st, 2008 at 8:08 pm
YLS ‘09. I’ll hope that your mastery of the law is better than your mastery of the complicated comment-posting mechanism. I don’t believe anyone is questioning whether student-on-student sexual harassment is a crime, but whether or not it has actually taken place here. The picture is obviously offensive, however the men pictured are not sexually harassing anyone pictured (except perhaps the Woman’s Center building itself). Who is it exactly who is being harassed? I would guess that that would depend on how the picture was (or maybe intended to be) distributed. Though I’m no law student.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Yes, but if they simply took a picture and uploaded it on facebook, who was sexually harassed? I fail to see an individual who has standing… Had they sent it to the women’s center
January 21st, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Between the stoner at bottom right, doo-rag at center and all-around idiot at left, I wouldn’t be too offended. Are we sure Vayner isn’t hiding in this photo somewhere?
January 21st, 2008 at 8:12 pm
This is CLEARLY sexual harassment. This is a disgusting demonstration of misogyny and biggotry- I hope that the Yale Women’s Center takes Zeta Psi down.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:14 pm
How about the members of the Yale Women’s Center to start. Or women at Yale in general. As a woman at Yale, I certainly feel harassed by this photograph. The picture was posted on facebook though, by a boy without privacy limitations, so that everyone on the Yale network could view it. I don’t know how a court will consider this form of distribution.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Regardless of whether or not a court of law would declare this photo to constitute sexual harassment, this picture is disgusting, and should nauseate and infuriate any person who considers him or herself a decent human being. I personally hope each and every one of those boys gets exactly what he deserves: a visit to ExCom and a swift kick in the balls.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:27 pm
This is free speech baby ;-) There is no grounds for a suit, especially since no reasonable person–representative of community standards–could ever take this picture seriously. These are fraternity pledges, this is COLLEGE, let boys be boys. If you don’t like what they say, then don’t talk to them, sleep with them, or go to football games at all for that matter. But I can tell you one thing, plenty of girls still will ;-).
January 21st, 2008 at 8:31 pm
In my personal experience, I have found the members of the women’s center board to be some of the most intelligent, passionate and savvy students at yale.I have no doubt in their ability to make these frat retards’ lives a living hell, and rightly so.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Women of Yale, in general, may feel harassed, but they have no legal standing to sue these losers.
The Yale Women’s Center might have standing, but it sure as hell seems unlikely. These losers were excercising free speech. Plus, Yale should and will squelch this.
Yale, however, may do whatever it wants to these guys, especially the dude holding the sign. But I’ll bet the fraternity makes a big apology, commits to some form of pro-women community service, and the WOmen’s Center remains pissed at their inability to do anything.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:43 pm
http://www.yale.edu/hronline/forms/shbroch.pdf
this is clearly an example of sexual harassment. yes, what else can we expect of fraternity pledges? But, that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t try to CHANGE the way they act. The Women’s Center is the ONE place on campus where women should feel safe.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:48 pm
If Yale had their Greek life regulatory shit together, there would be no need for legal action, because the frat would be either suspended, or de-recognized. If this shit happened at Dartmouth, that frat would be gone before you even had a chance to file suit.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:49 pm
This is hate speech baby ;-) There are certainly grounds for a suit, especially since every reasonable person–”representative of community standards”– looks at this picture and is deeply offended. These are fraternity pledges, this is blatant SEXUAL HARASSMENT, lets knock these “boys” off their high horses. I don’t like what they say, I certainly won’t talk to them, nor sleep with them (for moral and fear of catching some horrible STD). And I can tell you one thing Y ‘09, plenty of girls are damned pissed about this and things ARE going to change. ;-)
I am proud that I go to a school where the Women’s Center is not scared and will not tolerate this type of ridiculous behaviour.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:54 pm
This is hate speech baby ;-) There are certainly grounds for a suit, especially since every reasonable person–”representative of community standards”– looks at this picture and is deeply offended. These are fraternity pledges, this is blatant SEXUAL HARASSMENT, lets knock these “boys” off their high horses. I don’t like what they say, I certainly won’t talk to them, nor sleep with them (for moral and fear of catching some horrible STD). And I can tell you one thing Y ‘09, plenty of girls are damned pissed about this and things ARE going to change. ;-)
I am proud that I go to a school where the Women’s Center is not scared and will not tolerate this type of ridiculous behaviour.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Nope, this isn’t hate speech, silly. No one is being “hated” on. I believe “love” is the key word. And when a reasonable person looks at it, they think it’s pretty damn funny. Why don’t you go pick up a copy of the Rumpus? The entire thing is full of the same stuff. Articles about crazy hipsters, about Yale druggies, about “Toad’s sluts”, this is along the same lines. I don’t understand how you cannot see this as a joke. And in front of the Yale Women’s Center? The picture is a freakin riot hahah.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:01 pm
if you think that this is a winnable case on sexual harassment, you are a complete idiot. free speech totally covers these lads, at least in this country. hopefully in the next three semesters you will learn some of the fundamentals of your profession.
granted, these kids are a bunch of asshats.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:04 pm
How is this hate speech? These men are professing their love for Yale sluts. And let’s face it, without Yale sluts, Yale would be just like its older bro in Cambridge.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:06 pm
GODDAMN YALE SLUTS ARE SO FUCKING WHORISH
January 21st, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Amen to that brotha “Anotha ‘09″. We should be honest with each other, we all need some of the lovely ladies those frat boys are talking about to keep our beds warm at night.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Tasteless? Yes. Sexual harassment? No. Legal action? LOL. Cupcakes at the Women’s Center need to worry about more important things… like shaving their pits and finding a boy thirsty enough to lay with them.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:20 pm
By no means should Zeta Psi be viewed as reflective of other Yale fraternities (they are not frats!) However, what they did offensive to the Women’s Center and its principles, but come on–THIS IS COLLEGE. Lighten up.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Yes, it is absolutely true: any reasonable member of the Yale community who looks at this should be appalled and outraged. Appalled and outraged that some people at their school are so easily offended that they won’t allow even a simple act of obvious humor TO BE POSTED ON FACEBOOK without threatening a lawsuit. I can already see the inevitable apologetic open letter from President Levin, the string of forums, rallies, and talks on tolerance they will organize around campus in response to this ‘unconscionable’ act. Does no special interest group at Yale realize how polarizing and distasteful this inane reflexive objection to humor is? “Unwilling to be enrolled in a school where woman-hating is a subject of pride”? …Try “unwilling to be enrolled in a school where nothing can be funny anymore”
January 21st, 2008 at 9:38 pm
The whole reason that the Women’s Center is up in arms about this photograph is because “this is college.” The Women’s Center isn’t against fun, nor does it lack a sense of humor. It’s just that behavior like this isn’t funny, not when sexism is so ingrained in our culture that shit like this is allowed to happen. Crimes against women, from date rape to wage discrepancies, are the result of society’s negative attitudes towards girls. Feminists of the Women’s Center know that everything they represent starts with trying to effect change in culture, and frat culture is a great place to begin on a college campus, especially when Zeta Psi just handed them a lawsuit on a silver platter.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:40 pm
I don’t care if this is college or not. “Boys will be boys” doesn’t cut it anymore. These shitholes need to be held accountable for their actions. They are creating a “hostile environment” for women and anyone who respects women on campus. And I find it offensive when people think that we should “lighten up” about this. Did anyone tell the African-American community at Yale to “lighten up” when someone spray-painted the words “nigger school” outside Pierson College?? This is absolutely repugnant and unacceptable. I’m ashamed of my university for not coming down stronger against this. Misogyny is NOT ok and it is NOT funny.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Y’10 I have some advice… Sign up for match.com and get laid. I’m willing to bet you’re a chill person, just the lack of sex in your life has made you an extremely bitter person.
And as a black male I am highly offended that you compared this stunt, in which frat boys are expressing their love for the sluts of Yale, to the word nigger being tagged on campus. Grow up.
January 21st, 2008 at 10:20 pm
i’m female. i guess i sorta understand what this is all about… the word slut, right?
would it be a big deal for the frat guys to say “we love yale’s sexually active women”?
i don’t know maybe that’s offensive too?
but i wonder if this lawsuit hurts *the cause* more than it helps… wouldn’t it be better for the YWC to be above the fray, maybe write an editorial about the history of the use of the word slut and why it’s offensive?
i’m not saying they don’t have a right to sue. but *should* they?
January 21st, 2008 at 10:51 pm
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
I guess the founding fathers ran out of ink before getting to the “Except when its like, totally not what we want to hear.”
January 21st, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Just wanted to highlight my good friend, Giovanni Christodoulou, holding the sign. Props, man.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:06 pm
to understand the suit you have to understand the philosophy of feminism. Feminists don’t like the word slut because it is one of many words they feel reflects a history of objectification. So they want it stricken from common vernacular of polite societies. It is not unlike an african american’s objection to the word “nigger” which is offensive not so much for its meaning, but for its connotation. So do you see now why these guys are a bunch of insensitive fucktards? If not, look more closely at the picture and draw the appropriate stereotype from everyone else you know who wears a doorag, smokes black and milds, or throws up “west-side” in photographs.
I don’t care if the suit is valid, or not. I just want to see the guy in the doorag in his best suit, hair combed, pleading before a judge, while his mom is carefully planning how she is going to chew him out on the ride home.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Girls who are pissed about this never get laid and are envious of the slutty Yale girls.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:18 pm
^: I understood there reasoning. Understanding it doesn’t make it any less retarded/ groundless.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:23 pm
For SURE no legal basis for a law suit–I mean, the KKK is allowed to have peaceful demonstrations and post pictures of them on the internet. But I’m sure ExCom can do whatever they want with these morons since this is on Yale property.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:38 pm
I anticipate an letter in the YDN, filled with bravado, bemoaning the situation, making a ridiculous analogy to some of the recent hate crime scenarios at Yale, and threatening further legal action. I am fairly certain that the WC has not actually sought legal counsel yet. Guts and gusto before good research. They may have a case, but they don’t know for sure yet. This coming from someone who knows a few members of the Executive Board and has a fairly refined sense of their sensibilities.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 am
While it seems unlikely that the YWC has a case in this situation, this picture is not at all funny. As a woman who really does not consider herself a feminisit, I still find this very offensive. “Jokes” like this further propogate the double standard in our society, where women who sleep around are “sluts” and are looked down upon, while men who sleep around are praised and encouraged to brag about their exploits. I mean, think about it, if the Pi Phi girls posed with a sign saying “we love to f*ck yale men” or some sh*t like that, it wouldn’t be funny at all, they would be looked down upon. To dismiss this with a simple “guys will be guys” is a very narrow and closeminded approach. I’m dissapointed that on a campus dedicated to equal opportunity and embracing differences that more people are not outraged by this appaling display of sexism.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:06 am
I think the best punishment is to print these boys’ names along with the photo. That way, any future employers, prospective significant others and parents in laws, etc. can easily find it through Google.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:12 am
Yep that’s why I commented with the sign holder’s name above. He’s the star running back who scored Yale’s only touchdown in the Yale-Harvard game. Really great kid…
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:21 am
y’10: that is a false analogy. if women possessed a sex drive comparable to a man’s it would spell the end of civilization. Evolutionary happenstance has forced the role of discrimination upon the female. It will be this way until the genes controlling the male sex drive have been suppressed. Perhaps this (the suppression of said genes) is the goal of modern feminism, whether explicitly stated or not.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:25 am
“I mean, think about it, if the Pi Phi girls posed with a sign saying “we love to f*ck yale men” or some sh*t like that, it wouldn’t be funny at all, they would be looked down upon.”
NO IT WOULDNT, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:26 am
I mean I think the proper analogy is the Pi Phi girls posing with a sign that says “we love Yale pimps” or something. They wouldn’t do that because it would make them look bad, but if they did I’m pretty sure the frats wouldn’t get offended and threaten to sue them and if they did, people would probably think the frats were overreacting and being ridiculous.
The situation is analogous – Zeta Psi makes itself look bad with this picture, but the threat to sue is laughably absurd. One of the keys to good advocacy is to respond credibly – an e-mail condemning the picture, an op-ed, or a boycott of Zeta Psi all seem like reasonable responses perhaps, but the threat of a lawsuit is laughably absurd.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:29 am
“I mean, think about it, if the Pi Phi girls posed with a sign saying “we love to f*ck yale men” or some sh*t like that, it wouldn’t be funny at all, they would be looked down upon.”
NO IT WOULDNT, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:34 am
>> Yep that’s why I commented with the sign holder’s name above. He’s the star running back who scored Yale’s only touchdown in the Yale-Harvard game. Really great kid…
Just wanted to emphasize the word only in your comment. Oh and btw, Yale missed the extra point, leaving it at 37-6.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:49 am
I completely understand the arguments against a lawsuit. I don’t know the legality of it, but it does seem extreme. However, I am astounded by the presence of “good ol’ boys” posting not only excuses, but applause for this hateful display. The issue here is not simply the word “slut” (though that, in itself, is no simple or laughing matter). The larger point is the choice to target a specific group: those women on the Yale campus fighting most for women’s rights and equality. And if a group *namely women* finds a word to be offensive and derogatory *namely slut*, then it is. It is derogatory, just as “nigger” or “faggot” are offensive to their respective victims. As for the Pi Phi analogy, I believe the point was that no one would be making excuses for the girls. They would be labeled with the same derogatory language as the frat labeled the women of the Women’s Center.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:07 am
YLS ‘09 apparently needs a brush-up on constitutional law. Monroe dealt with school officials from a federally-funded school who ignored student-on-student harassment. Title IX only applies to the conduct of recipients of federal funds–i.e. Yale. Not Zeta Psi. Nor its pledges/brothers. There can only be a Title IX action against Yale if Yale doesn’t do anything about this. So, these guys at least haven’t violated Title IX, themselves. Whether they have violated state anti-discrimination laws is another story, though, and I don’t know CT statutory law.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:11 am
@Yale ‘010 woman: I’m an avowed (if admittedly male) feminist, and I still think this is hilarious, if only because it is poking fun at the RIDICULOUS, borderline militant behavior of some of the women’s center’s members. These people aren’t good old boys–they just smart enough to realize that you’re entirely missing the point. Anybody who construes frat boys saying they like girls who have sex with them as “threatening” needs to chill the fuck out.
Also, I’m not even going to start with the Pi Phi comment…
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:17 am
While I understand the outrage of the Women’s Center, I can’t help feeling it’s a tad misdirected–and because of that, likely to be ineffective. Relatively speaking, this photo is a drop in the bucket. In terms of actual harm done to actual women, every frat party that results in the incapacitation and alcohol-facilitated rape of women is much worse than a bunch of drunken idiots holding up a sign because somebody told them to, in a location that they thought would be funny. Rather than targeting these individuals and ranting about legal action that has dubious grounds at best, the YWC should have been going after the problem at its source long before this. In choosing to go ballistic over this one incident, I fear they’re wasting their time and fueling the shrill, trigger-happy stereotype that gives feminists a bad name–and that only does harm to the image of the female sex. Calling Yale “a school where woman-hating is a subject of pride” is making them look as ridiculous as the people in the photo. The best way to combat this particular incident is not to give it more attention than it deserves.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:22 am
So if I go and stand in front of the women’s center holding a sign that says I HATE YALE SLUTS, am I gonna get sued too?
I’m a bit confused about what’s so offensive. Do sluts at Yale not exist? Do they not deserve attention or love? Are they not welcome at the Women’s Center?
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:39 am
It amuses me that the very comments that claim women are being defamed by these frat “retards,” fail to see the hate speech they are laying on the mentally handicapped. Are all of those with low IQ’s inclined to misogyny?–I think not, in fact, I am sure most are loving and sweet people.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:42 am
Reference to Y’09 above: Maybe if there were a photograph found of the “actual harm” such as incapacitation and alcohol-facilitated rape, the YWC would sue for that. Unfortunately, those photos don’t exist because the Canon stays tucked safely in the purse while the painful nonconsensual penetration takes place. Rather, it is not only useful but necessary to fight the seemingly less personal attacks, because those can appeal to the universal victim. It simply comes down to inequality, which bites away at women’s sense of self. If women or men think it is okay for the term ’slut’ to be thrown around casually, then 12 year-old girls won’t think it’s all that wrong to lose their virginities to whomever and keep the self-restraint hidden away with the self-respect. ‘Boys will be boys’ and disrespect those girls who are being girls because that’s natural! That’s what society has taught us, so OF COURSE there’s no need to complain. Why would we try to fight something that has already happened? There’s a reason we call it making a difference. Stereotypes should never have developed this way, and the only way we can change them is by pointing out the flaws whenever they appear. And legality is a necessary mechanism to control this behavior, but also to simply set the example of what we should aim to value.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:55 am
This is sad. Partially because of the overanalysis of a stupid prank, certainly, but also because of a insulting thing done by some stupid freshmen at the behest of stupider upperclassmen. Let’s let this whole thing die, people; there’s nothing more to be said!
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:17 am
These guys are total tools both for taking that picture and for looking like they do in it. You go to Yale, you are not thugs. Have some self respect. That said, legal action is laughable.
Also laughable: how no one can figure out IvyGate’s comment posting system.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:21 am
i guess i’m in the minority here, but i definitely LOLed. lighten up, seriously.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:32 am
1st Amendment trumps sexual harassment here. Sexual harassment needs to happen against an individual, not an entire fucking gender. There is no legal action to be taken.
Now, Yale College on the other hand, has every right to shut down Zeta Psi. They shouldn’t,IMO, but they could. Freedom of Mother Fucking Speech. You can kill a fetus but you can’t use the word “slut”? Where’s the logic there?
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:59 am
Wait, so using words like “slut” encourages 12 year olds to lose their virginities (sic) to whomever? That really doesn’t make much sense at all. Seeing as how “slut” is used to insult those who are sexually promiscuous, wouldn’t it make them less likely to lose their virginities (sic) to whomever because sexual promiscuity is being criticized?
Furthermore, you criticize inequality and stereotypes, but then go on to equate self-restraint and self-respect. Why can’t womyn enjoy sex and have sex frequently and still have self-respect? I know plenty of men who enjoy sex and have sex frequently and still have self-respect, so why can’t womyn too? By suggesting that womyn who have sex frequently and thus are not “restrained” lack self-respect, aren’t you perpetuating the very stereotypes and inequalities you claim to be criticizing?
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:03 am
why don’t Yale sluts deserve to be loved and accepted?
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:03 am
pagliaro on the left
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:14 am
enough. the two sides have laid down their claims.
conclusions.
1) a lawsuit wouldn’t make sense as it wouldn’t hold up in court.
2) while protected legally under free speech, these guys are douche-bags.
4) what will happen is a public apology, blah blah blah some soul searching, repentance, no forgiveness, a demand to accept responsibility, blah, blah blah.
next issue.
there are much bigger problems in the world you stupid fucking americans. like your racist, imperialist government.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:54 am
I FUCKING LOVE YALE’S FEMINISTS. THOSE GIRLS HAVE BEEN FUCKING THE WORLD UP FOR THE LAST YEAR AND THEY JUST WON’T BE SHUT DOWN. ROCK ON LIKE THE ROLLING STONES.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:53 am
Is the insane amount of commenting on this article a product of the fact that Ivies are in the midst of finals (at least, Princeton is), so we’re releasing our pent up frustration? Looks that way to me.
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:34 am
We’re out of finals. Maybe that’s the problem…the masses are restless.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:30 am
i think it’s interesting that, because of the mlk holiday, ivygate was able to beat the ydn to the punch on this one.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:02 am
WHO ARE THEY HARASSING?! You broads need to chill the fuck out.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:10 am
they did harass a specific person. read about it in the ydn.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:22 am
Are you referring to the “Dick!” chant? It sounds like the chant was directed to their pledges who were posing for the photo… Jessica Svendsen ’09 just happened to over hear them and was sooooooo frightened by the word dick (probably because she’s never experienced one) that she had to take a detour through the other entrance.
1.) I’m not sure I believe her.
2.) GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.
…..and to the person above who said it’s cool for men to sleep around. I think sluts can be both men and women, and a lack of respect for your body is disgusting no matter your gender.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:35 am
OF COURSE this is sexual harassment. By standing in front of the women’s center the Zeta Psi men were inferring that all women are sluts, especially those who are fighting for equality or use the services of the women’s center after being victims of sexual harassment or rape. The men were mocking these women, reducing them sexual objects with the pejorative term “SLUT.” If the women’s center want to change the sexism so ingrained in our culture, this is the PERFECT place to start.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:40 am
The First Amendment probably would not cover this. It only covers valuable “expression” as the Court defines it (read Cohen v. California), and if full-nudity stripping isn’t covered under that test, then “We love Yale Sluts” probably isn’t either. These guys could definitely be sued under state discrimination law–not sure if they would be liable since the statute focuses on work, but they could be sued. And Yale will have to punish them or they could be subject to a Title IX suit. After all, Yale has fared poorly in recent lawsuits…just ask Adam Davenport, who just won $300,000 from yale on a discrimination claim because they expelled him for abusing the Sudler Grant system.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:17 am
Inferring that all women are sluts is not sexual harassment.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 am
Yeah – calling women “sluts” in front of the Women’s Center doesn’t make you look cool – it gets your ass sued. I hope the Women’s Center at Yale sues the pants of these guys – judging from their actions, that’s the only way they’ll be taking off their pants after this incident.
I haven’t heard anything from Yale’s president. Until I do, I am going to assume that Yale is an institution that promotes misogyny and sexual harrassment.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:34 am
I think people are missing the offensive part, which is that proclaiming a love of sluts in front of a place where women go when they have been sexually violated is mocking what has happened to them, mocking what has happened to them as something they wanted.
That’s what is offensive.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 am
Where do the men go who get sexually harassed or violated?
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:54 am
I mean everyone is making claims about what was going through the minds of the Zeta Psi pledges/ brothers when this occurs without actually having any idea what was in fact going through their minds. If the above comment is true then yes it is very offensive. But, if the women’s center was just chosen as an ironic sort of backdrop or as an “in your face”/ response to the YWC’s militant ridiculousness then it’s a lot less offensive.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:12 am
Why do anti-feminists always assume that it’s about them (re: H-bomber’s comment). Until men are constantly harrassed, their bodies put up for judgment and display, and face the threats of rape, then we can start talking about them. Those living with male privilege have no room to bitch.
Stop steering the discussing back to men rights. This discussion is about violations of women’s rights. Hmmm. I never knew Yale students could be such losers. I am glad I am at an non-Ivy League school.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:15 am
Can you imagine being a first-year girl sleeping with her boyfriend the first time and having to go through this crowd to get birth control? What about sexually nonactive women who just want some help with a yeast infection? Or the girl going in for help with her eating disorder? Worst, can you imagine getting raped and having to go through this crowd? Imagine it happening to one of your close girl friends.
Oh and usually women’s centers are safe spaces for ANYONE who has been sexually violated but it seems the people who did this and the people who are defending them are pretty ignorant about such matters. Not everyone needs a Women’s Center, but if anything ever happens to you, you’ll be glad this bastion of militancy is around so you or your girlfriend doesn’t get knocked up.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:26 am
As a woman, I can say that this picture makes me want to unload about 100 rounds on them and watch them die an agonizing and bloody death. How dare they? Who in their right mind thinks it is ok and a joke to shout “dick dick dick” in front of a rape and woman’s counselling center, act menacing, dress like thugs and block the entrance to the door. “Boys will be Boys” if you don’t like men go somewhere else? College is not “for men”. You people disgust me.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:28 am
when did “dick dick dick” happen?
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 am
Fuck political correctness. I’m female and I hate feminists because they do shit like this. These guys were CLEARLY not hurting anyone. If anyone was offended by this then they need to gain a little self-confidence and a sense of humor.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:41 am
@another penn ‘11 female: do you swallow?
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:42 am
From Zeta Psi’s national website:
In turn, our members have advanced to become leaders in North America, from influential writers, to state governors and presidential hopefuls, to CEOs of major corporations. By providing support and an environment for social learning at school, we aim to, “…turn out into the world self-respecting, original-thinking, self-controlled, purposeful gentlemen.”
Clearly. Does the national organization not care that their name is being smeared?
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:43 am
Another Penn ‘11 -
Because as a privileged woman, you have know exactly what some of these women are going through, right? You hate feminists, huh? I hope you also hate your right to vote, that you could go to college, and that you aren’t getting raped …just because they’re not hurting you doesn’t mean they’re not hurting other women. For once, put your privilege aside, and think about others for a chance. The world isn’t about you.
Gain a little confidence? Goddamn. Women can be confident without having to face sexual harrassment. Standing up to these jackasses is confidence …standing by while others get sexually harrassed, like you, is cowardly.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:47 am
Women..or womyn (ha!) need to get over playing the woe-is-me card.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:51 am
way to steal this shit from yale OTR, ivygate.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:51 am
“I mean everyone is making claims about what was going through the minds of the Zeta Psi pledges/ brothers when this occurs without actually having any idea what was in fact going through their minds.”
Stupidity is not a valid defense and standing up for the integrity of women is not militancy.
Regardless of your sense of humor, it would be racist for a group of white people to stand in front of the cultural center with a sign that read “I love niggers!”, would it not? So, how is this any different? A bunch of guys standing in front of the women’s center with a sign saying “I love sluts.” Why is misogyny acceptable by racism is not?
And for all of you that stress it was only a joke: For fucksake, this stunt offends me on a creative level. The “humor” comes purely from it’s offensiveness. I’m sure it took them all of their three collective brain cells to come up with it.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:56 am
We all make mistakes in our struggle to understand and respect other people. Not even MLK was perfect in this. But these actions go beyond the pale for enlightened Yale students. To treat women (or anyone) with such disrespect is reprehensible. I hope they meant what they wrote in the apology. Still, it’ll likely be a long road for them to understand what exactly was so offensive about what they did.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:06 pm
e-bomb and state school have it right. If they had taken this picture in front of their frat house or somewhere else on campus, things would have been fine. As it is, they were mocking “sluts” in front of a place where women go to seek help after being raped. I think this is the point where the picture moves from “boys will be boys” to sexual harassment.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
According to Connecticut State law, sexual harassment consists of “any unwelcome sexual advances or requests for sexual favors or any conduct of a sexual nature … when such conduct has the purpose or effect of substantially interfering the individual’s work performance or creating an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment.”
??? Obviously not the case here
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:13 pm
What a bunch of idiots. I hope the Women’s Centre does sue them, and I hope it wins; there is just no way this is appropriate. Just because it’s “only college” and “boys will be boys” doesn’t make it okay; this is at best immature and at worst intentionally offensive and/or threatening (and yes, it is threatening – I certainly wouldn’t like to have to get through that crowd, so I doubt many women would either, and certainly not, as e-bomb mentioned, women who are already in a vulnerable position).
“Inferring that all women are sluts is not sexual harassment.” No? Maybe not – I don’t know exactly what constitutes sexual harassment in the US – but it’s certainly misogynistic and certainly unacceptable.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Either way, “free speech” also entails the right to be offended, to find certain speech disgusting, and to criticize it. It doesn’t mean that all speech must be respected or heard; you can choose, after all, within your right, not to listen. Furthermore, it’s not clear that speech that is meant to silence–such as the clear “put out or shut up” message offered by our Yale friends–should enjoy the same freedom as other kinds of speech.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:15 pm
xyz, you left out the relevant portions of the law. read a little further, friend.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:15 pm
^^ agreed. rape is beyond comprehension in its evil. to intimidate a girl who needs to get into a building that helps rape victims is downright despicable.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:18 pm
the reason the line “we love yale sluts” is offensive is that the term slut refers to a woman who has no self worth and sleeps around, essentially making her body into something only good for the pleasure of others. (a slut is not just someone who sleeps around. it has a distinct derogatory flavor greater than strict promiscuity.) when a group of guys say they love that, they’re saying that they love it when yale women have no self worth and sleep around, only good for the pleasure of others. If you don’t understand why that is offensive, then you’re a lost cause.
It was really stupid of them to post that on facebook, and if there’s any justice in the world (which there isn’t) they’ll never get married or hired for any kind of respectful position. keep the names coming.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:21 pm
silly cunts, they should shut the fuck up and go make me dinner.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:33 pm
you just proved their point.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:39 pm
just to be clear, I’m not defending the people listed above; I think what they did was juvenile and ill conceived.
Along the same lines, however, how is a judge going to consider this illegal if the right-to-life protesters and picketers can stand in front of a Planned Parenthood clinic and make MUCH more threatening comments to women (and men) going in and out.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:40 pm
According to Connecticut State law, sexual harassment consists of “any unwelcome sexual advances or requests for sexual favors or any conduct of a sexual nature … when such conduct has the purpose or effect of substantially interfering the individual’s work performance or creating an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment.”
??? Obviously not the case here
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:42 pm
that you “your dad” — it is people like you that make feminists’ job a lot easier.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Can you imagine if you were the parents of one of these guys??? How embarrassing/ horrifying/ disappointing/ disgusting… It’s so sad, truly.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:11 pm
“Along the same lines, however, how is a judge going to consider this illegal if the right-to-life protesters and picketers can stand in front of a Planned Parenthood clinic and make MUCH more threatening comments to women (and men) going in and out.”
Your right to free speech ends at private property. The sidewalk outside a Planned Parenthood is public property. Yale’s campus, however, is private property. If Yale has a student code of conduct that prohibits sexual harrassment, they are opening themselves up to a lawsuit if they do not actually enforce it. The fraternity opened themselves up to discipline (and a lawsuit) by not following the code of conduct.
According to Connecticut State law, sexual harassment consists of “any unwelcome sexual advances or requests for sexual favors or any conduct of a sexual nature … when such conduct has the purpose or effect of substantially interfering the individual’s work performance or creating an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment.”
I don’t know what’s so hard to understand. The Women’s Center is a place where women go for a variety of reasons, including rape crisis counseling. A sign that reads “I love sluts” is fundamentally sexual in nature. Judging by the location these boneheads chose to hold it up in, I assume it was meant to imply all women who visit the WC are sluts (hilarious, right?)Now say a student was sexually assulted that night and was going to go into the women’s center until she found a group of guys chanting “dick, dick, dick” and holding up a that sign. Isn’t that sign being directed at her? How is that not creating a hostile environment? Forget my hypothetical student, these idiots posted the picture on a public forum for everyone to see. Whether or not they’re intelligent enought to think their actions through, it’s a form of intimidation and should be treated as such.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:14 pm
hollaback yale anyone?
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:21 pm
“Where do the men go who get sexually harassed or violated?”
This. The YWC is sexist.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Okay for one thing free speech does not mean you are allowed to say anything you want to say. It is not legal for me to yell “fire” in a crowded theater.
I thought someone from an Ivy league school would be smart enough to know that.
Second point, they are calling rape victims sluts! How would you feel is they were doing that to your mother and sister?
Third, thank you all for the lovely examples of why I should send my child to a state school.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:29 pm
It’s SCARY when the basis of sexual harassment isn’t based on any particular act, toward a particular individual, but based on some subjective FEELING of harassment. It’s one thing to say you are offended, but being harassed is different.
I’m offended by the women’s center suing about this, am I HARASSED? Why the double standard?
Plenty of Yale women say nasty and mean things to guys on campus, can we call this harassment?
It’s stuff like this, the failure to pick battles worth fighting– that makes people hate feminism.
It’s too bad because there are real feminists out there who are worth taking seriously.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:30 pm
don’t think this was sexual harrassment as defined by the law. assuming that workplace harrassment statutes can be extended to a school environment, there certainly weren’t any sexual advances or requests for sexual favors.
Was this an example of “conduct of a sexual nature”? Do any of these actions qualify?:
- posing for pictures
- chanting “dick” with a bunch of frat bros
- displaying a sign proclaiming your love of “sluts”
Even if this was intimidation, i don’t think it counts as sexual harassment, as none of the frat bros were directly coming on to anybody.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:31 pm
It’s SCARY when the basis of sexual harassment isn’t based on any particular act, toward a particular individual, but based on some subjective FEELING of harassment. It’s one thing to say you are offended, but being harassed is different.
I’m offended by the women’s center suing about this, am I HARASSED? Why the double standard?
Plenty of Yale women say nasty and mean things to guys on campus, can we call this harassment?
It’s stuff like this, the failure to pick battles worth fighting– that makes people hate feminism.
It’s too bad because there are real feminists out there who are worth taking seriously.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:33 pm
the YWC is sexist? Any victim of sexual assault can come to the Women’s Center — and they do.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
What are so many non Ivy kids doing here? I don’t come here to read about what some middle class kid thinks of Ivy League issues they know nothing about…
Lizriz: Kids do dumb things in college…parents don’t find out about most of them. Personally I’d rather see my son posing in a silly picture then have my son/daughter sniffing coke and having unprotected sex every weekend and never knowing about it. Maybe that’s just me though…
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:38 pm
ywc is not exclusively a rape victim recovery/counseling facility. in fact, it is probably not even the “official” university contact for rape victims. i was under the impression that ywc was a student-run organization – wouldn’t university health or university police department be the institutional places for a victim to turn to?
shouldn’t this statement be construed as against the ywc and not against potential rape victims?
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:44 pm
gross. these guys were intimidating and harrassing women attempting to go into the building, which clearly qualifies as sexual harrassment. yes they are obviously braindead tools, but they should still own up to consequences. in other news, what the HELL has happened to yale?
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:47 pm
seconded – this is repulsive
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:01 pm
hmm… says:
What are so many non Ivy kids doing here? I don’t come here to read about what some middle class kid thinks of Ivy League issues they know nothing about…
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If it’s wrong, it’s wrong, and that goes for middle class people as well as pompous gasbags like yourself. Nice try, though.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:01 pm
To all the guys who posted ignorant, misogynistic comments posted here: Get your act together, and develop some character. Your narrow view of women is pathetic.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:05 pm
This is funny. I thought Yale was supposed to be for smart people, looks like they let in any dumb guy who sends in an application.
They most likely CAN sue because it is a school and not public property. Your first amendment whining will do you know good. You PAY to go here, remember? Also the KKK can march in a public street, not on a school campus. Also this is a case where some may not feel comfortable on their own school grounds going to a rape support group becasue of this picture. I hope they sue the living f#&k out of those asshats.
Maybe some of the dopes on here pretending like they know the law should do some research on sexual harrasment. This is why there is so much, you asswipes don’t even know what harrasment is.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:08 pm
“It’s SCARY when the basis of sexual harassment isn’t based on any particular act, toward a particular individual, but based on some subjective FEELING of harassment.”
Oh, those poor pledges. They just were standing in front of some randon building with a sign that someone else gave them. They didn’t even know what it said! And when that girl said they were chanting “dick, dick, dick” I’m sure she misheard them. They were really chanting “Nick, Nick, Nick.” Then some meanie came along and took their picture and posted it on the internet without their permition. The nerve of some people! These boys are obviously innocent and need to be protected from big, scary feminists.
I judge people by their actions. While these boys may not be intelligent, they do have agency.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Back in the day, the Yale feminists used to plaster the campus with such recherche chestnuts as “There are no fathers, only sperm donors.”
Frankly bitches, it’s long past time to say, “Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, Pot.”
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:15 pm
vox- your post is incoherant and makes no sense. get your act together.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:18 pm
As an alumna of Yale who has a PhD and took courses in law at the law school, I would say the women students, as represented by the women’s center or any other campus group, should sue the University for failing to maintain an environment free of hostility toward women. Yale has made progress since 1969 when the first undergraduate women were admitted, but clearly not enough. It usually takes both protest and the law to make change. Both were used to integrate Mory’s for example and both were used to increase the numbers of women faculty and so on. So please do sue, the Yale University administration certainly deserves it for fostering an atmosphere that can let this happen.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:18 pm
It was public property- they were on the sidewalk, not in the women’s center.
Sidewalk = public property = free speech
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:24 pm
@ ODU 08
What does that have to do with any of this? You think hookers from the streets of New Haven are the ones going to the YWC? Because I’m fairly sure it’s more of the use of Yale students, which would make them the same type of “privileged women” that I am. Maybe I should have clarified what type of feminists I hate. I appreciate everything they’ve done in the past. I appreciate what they’re doing in 2nd and 3rd world countries. But can’t they focus their efforts on something like ending female circumcision rather than trying to sue some frat boys who made an un-PC joke? Overwhelmingly, feminists in America today seem to think that women should be above men, not equal to them, and get fired up over little things like this. If this was explicitly a rape victims’ center, my feelings about the prank may be different, but it’s not. If the women’s center is anything like the women’s center here, it’s usually almost exclusively for birth control and STD testing. It’s not like there were rape victims covered in tears and dried semen trying to fight through this crowd of guys.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
“Retaining the male has not even the dubious purpose of reproduction. The male is a biological accident: the y(male) gene is an incomplete x(female) gene, that is, has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples.”
–somebody who wouldn’t make her share of the sandwiches
Ah the memories.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
That’s a bit simplistic, Army SGT. It depends on who owns the sidewalk. They don’t have to be in the Women’s Center, just on the privately owned campus of which the sidewalk may be a part. And I am sure that Yale’s code of conduct applies whether they were on campus or not,so Yale would still maintain the right to discipline them for breaking that code even if they are on public property.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Wow, i am truly amazed at the bravery of the free speech activists/men of america, standing outside a rape victim help centre with a little bit of paper saying yale girls are sluts. Kinda shows everything that is wrong with your pathetic, penis envy driven society.
These are your most “intelligent” minds?
no wonder you’re still in iraq…………..
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Hey Englishman, you only need to hit the submit button once.
no wonder you lost wwII……….
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Women were prevented from entering the Women’s by this group of frat boys. Feminists do not think that they should be above men. They merely think that they should be able to enter the women’s center without being called a slut by a group of their peers.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:54 pm
the english lost WW2? That is news to EVERYONE.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:55 pm
@everyone who keeps criticizing yale students:
please don’t judge all of yale by the actions of a group of idiot frat boys or the inane comments of some yalies on this board. i swear some of us are decent, intelligent people.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:58 pm
The women’s center needs to grow a pair of balls and a sense of humor. This is not sexual harassment, hate speech, or anything of the sort. The guys were standing on a public sidewalk and Yale has not (as of yet) implemented “free speech zones” to abrogate the rights of its students. The location is inconsequential and we oughtn’t pretend that the Women’s Center is exclusively some sort of safe haven for rape victims. It is the voice of radical feminism at Yale, and believe it or not, there are still some rational people around who are not feminists.
I hope Yale does absolutely nothing and let’s the Women’s Center waste its breath suing the frat, exposing itself as the hovel of humorless harpies it is.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:03 pm
How exactly does feminism today demand that women be treated as better than men. Really, I want some examples.
@ another penn ‘11 female: “It’s not like there were rape victims covered in tears and dried semen trying to fight through this crowd of guys.”
Good to know that you have such a narrow view of who can be victimized by misogyny and sexism. Is it also not really rape if the girl isn’t bleeding?
“If the women’s center is anything like the women’s center here, it’s usually almost exclusively for birth control and STD testing.” So it’s not okay to call rape victims slutty, but it is okay to call women who want access to reproductive health care slutty? Get a clue. Events like these are not happening in a vaccum. They may vary in severity but the message is the same. And we won’t be able to stop horrible acts around the world like female genital mutilation if we’re not even capable of treating women at home with respect.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:13 pm
@ penisdriven:
Because wanting to be treated with respect is so fucking radical.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
The Women’s Center was looooong closed for the day.
No women were impeded from entering the Center.
No women were directly targeted by the group.
The incident occurred outside the Center, not inside it.
No damage to property was done.
Some guys looked dumb- a social gaffe but certainly not harassment.
Keep your political agendas at home on this one folks. It was fully harmless.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:45 pm
I AGREE with RadicalFeminist. Also, to bring Miss Manners into this, the fact is that this shouldn’t be about rights. We could argue all day long (and we have) about whether or not Yale students ought to have the RIGHT to say this. I don’t think that there’s any question, though, that this is the least classy, most impolite, stupidest thing that a person can do with a camera, and the people in this photo ought to be ashamed.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:49 pm
these guys were intimidating and harrassing women attempting to go into the building, which clearly qualifies as sexual harrassment.
Where is the evidence for this dumb assertion? Nothing in the articles about this indicates anything about blockading the women’s center from allowing women to enter.
The ignorant HuhWhat says:
“Oh, those poor pledges. They just were standing in front of some randon building with a sign that someone else gave them. They didn’t even know what it said! And when that girl said they were chanting “dick, dick, dick” I’m sure she misheard them. They were really chanting “Nick, Nick, Nick.” Then some meanie came along and took their picture and posted it on the internet without their permition. The nerve of some people! These boys are obviously innocent and need to be protected from big, scary feminists.
I judge people by their actions. While these boys may not be intelligent, they do have agency. ”
Having agency in this case is not the same thing as harassment, and shame on you for suggesting it. I take harassment seriously, and I don’t think it’s right to degrade the term by suggesting that just because what hte guys did was tasteless its’ harassment. There are real women who suffer rape, pressure in the workplace, pressure at school, and who would rather that you spend your time dealing with these issues directly than to support the use of legal bullying to correct for “tasteless behavior.”
Your argument about how the guys “knew what they were doing” is nonresponsive. There’s only so many times
women can cry wolf about sexual harassment until people stop taking it seriously when LEGITIMATE claims are made, once based on actual, specific, individualized situations, and not one where women want to censor other people based on their particular tastes re: free speech.
There are women who are being raped, there are women who suffer in the workplace, there are women who radical feminists don’t care about (i.e. women of color).
Why don’t you stop complaining about something so minimal, and start paying attention to the real, material suffering which so many women face?
Where’s the “care ethics” in the cowardly move by the Women’s center to sue first and then ask questions later? I’m not saying the frat guys behaved correctly, so don’t skirt the issue like you tried to in your post.
My point is, they should have instead tried to increase discourse, to talk to the university–but to sue is just another form of power, or an expression of “patriarchy”
which just ticks off more people into rolling their eyes when substantial claims about patriarchy are made.
As someone who takes feminist issues and theory very seriously, shame shame on you, and shame on the Women’s center.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:53 pm
To everyone who says that this event is harassment because “Women were prevented from entering” the building, please show your proof or stop making baseless inferences.
If you can’t figure out how to go around a group of people who are momentarily taking a picture in front of a building YOU SHOULD BE HOME WORKING ON YOUR COLORING BOOKS.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:06 pm
@ yale 2012:
While you had some good points, try keeping your comment to a few sentences. I’m not interested in your extensive rant on the nuances of your opinions on agency. You may post again after orientation.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Yale2012 clearly doesn’t know anything about Radical Feminists. Show me one Radical Feminist who doesn’t care about people of color. Do you even know where the term “White priveledge” and “Male priveledge” came from? Can you even name a Radical Feminist?
Your ignorance aside, it is a myth that women “cry wolf” when it comes to harassment and rape. The statistics for so-called false rape reports are no higher than any other crime. A lot of the time people mistakenly call false the rape reports that cannot be proven. It is the most underreported crime. A lot of victims are shamed into not reporting harassment and rape by idiots like you.
I believe the woman who had to use the backdoor, not a bunch of “boys will be boys” and harassment apologists on a blog.
It is about rights. Women have a right to not be harassed, believe it or not. It’s not “If you don’t want to be harassed go somewhere else.” Nice try.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:08 pm
You don’t even go to yale yet. When people start calling YOU a slut for going to the women’s center because you’ve been sexually assaulted, then maybe you can talk about “real, material suffering.” In the meantime, get off your high horse and go back to high school.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Wow.. I’d expect this asinine behaviour from people too stupid to get into Yale.. looks like their standards have dropped. You’d think a Yale student could come up with something wittier or amusing, and less sophomoric. Way to go frat-tards (yes, terms were created to describe people such as yourselves)! Way to represent yourselves and your institution!
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:18 pm
STEVE HOLT!
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Also
http://jezebel.com/347695/yale-university-sluts-strike-back-at-sexist-frat-boys
Just in case anyone cares to know how I got here.
Also, while I realize this prank was done in good fun, the frat never bothered to think about how it might affect some people. I think Yale women have a valid reason to be upset over this, though I’m doubt litigation is the best route. I think those of you saying it was just a harmless prank, are probably correct, but are also not thinking about how others might feel about it.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Can someone currently enrolled clue me in as to whether or not the Yalesbians still do each other in the bathroom of the Cross Campus Library?
Stay classy, Elis!
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Vox: Cross campus doesn’t exist anymore, so no. At least we can be certain these guys won’t get in any trouble by ex-com, a 10-0 season next year would be difficult after suspending a dozen players. But seriously, who doesn’t love yale sluts?
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:02 pm
@ yale 2012: Are you done shaming yet? Your comments are asinine. Is agency the same thing as harassment? No. Am I making the assertion that they are the same thing? No. I am, however, pointing out that dismissing these boys’ actions as “boys will be boys” is not acceptable. They’re the ones who acted and as such are responsible for the fall out from their actions, whatever that may be. Do these guys have the right to display signs saying that they love sluts? Sure, I’ll even defend their right to free speech, all the while recognizing that their right to free speech ends at Yale’s discretion (private spaces and the school’s code of conduct.)
As an actual black female (ohmigosh!) who has experienced sexual harassment, discrimination in the workplace, etc… all on the basis of my race and gender, I am not interested in playing the Suffering Olympics with you. Rape is important, sexual harassment is important, all the things you define as “real, material suffering” are important but you are ignorant if you cannot see how actions like these create a culture where the repeated degradation of women is permissible or even encouraged. Brushing this off as harmless or unimportant in a larger context is dangerous.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:12 pm
here here HuhWha
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Thanks, Yale Sluts. How could I have missed the fundraising appeal.
In other news, since Heath Ledger is freshly dead, I’m predicting a huge slowdown in outraged females’ posts on this thread.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:32 pm
I just love Feminist Rape Hysteria Politics. As if a prank by College Men is a hate crime. When Universities hold Cuntfests and Masturbation Clinics for Women. When they endorse the “Good rape” of a 13 year old plied with Alcohol in the Vagina Monolgues. More Feminists double standards. How special.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:36 pm
@D’10 — when would a women’s center be able to sue anyone for a crime? Crimes are prosecuted by the government. The women’s center is talking about a civil action, a tort claim or two.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Yo. Everyone just needs to chill out. This picture was taken as an internal joke, and is in no way harassing anybody. People need to stop being so sensitive and concentrate on growing up, taking a joke, and not being such freakshows. The Women’s Center people are the opposite of the definition of chillers. Zeta si is not.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:56 pm
If Yale take any disciplinary action against these kids, it’ll just be a confirmation of the University’s idiocy and flagrant inability to take a joke.
Legal action? Please. How dense is this Women’s Center anyway? Last time I checked, you can’t “sexually harass” an organization. An individual? Yes. A “center”? Haha. The fact that there is anyone on this board who supports prosecuting these guys is incredibly frightening. Civil liberties, anyone?
Come on. Their sign isn’t even offensive. So they love sluts? Whoooppiiee. Good for them. Everyone’s entitled to a personal opinion, aren’t they? Maybe they enjoy the odd call girl as well. They never directed that pejorative to ANYONE in particular.
January 22nd, 2008 at 6:25 pm
How is it a hate crime?
The sign said that they love Yale sluts and not that they hate Yale sluts. Any other interpretation reeks of big Jewry’s typical semantic games. It’s kind of like the 9/11 all over again. Except, this time the towers are made of unshowered lesbians instead of steel.
January 22nd, 2008 at 6:59 pm
My god Fratboys are losers. On one hand, I would kind of like to see them all shipped off to Iraq, but really… the Iraqis have enough problems without these assholes running around.
Maybe they can all just get hit by a bus or something?
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I talked to the kid who took the picture today and the picture was taken at night when no one was around and the center was closed. No female tried to walk in or out of the center. Simply clearing up some discrepancies.
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Also the picture taker has nothing to do with the fraternity.
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:15 pm
“Yo. Everyone just needs to chill out. This picture was taken as an internal joke, and is in no way harassing anybody. People need to stop being so sensitive and concentrate on growing up, taking a joke, and not being such freakshows. The Women’s Center people are the opposite of the definition of chillers.” This is a hilarious satire. It’s a satire, right?
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:37 pm
First: Are these women that insecure that they can’t take a harmless joke? Jesus Christ!
Second: Shouldn’t the Yale women be glad that these guys ‘love’ them?
Third: I remember in Kindergarten when I used to tell a big grown up if someone called me a mean name. I’m really glad that our overwhelmed court system will be given the opportunity to resolve this matter.
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Those guys should be ashamed.
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:58 pm
New Haven owns the sidewalks and the streets around the Yale buildings. Chances are by now they would’ve been privatized and the central campus consolidated if it weren’t for Levin’s catering to the special interest groups culminating in his pissing off who would’ve been Yale’s largest donor. Read here:
http://www.yale.edu/lt/bass/index.htm
Thusly, the fratboys were demostrating in a public forum in which the content-based regulation of speech is prohibited. So far, no “hate speech” argument applied against anyone resembling protesters has held up in court. Never mind there’s no statute in Connecticut prohibiting what they were doing. CT sexual harassment statutes are meant to keep the workplace free therefrom. Nobody gets paid a salary at the women’s center so it’s not a workplace. Not to mention, again, the protest transpired in a public forum, not inside the centre. Which also prevents any Title IX argument from applying against the University. The fratboys were merely protesting the excesses of the feminist movement, as evidenced by the concentration of people in a tight group and the holding up of a sign. Shouting “Nick Nick Nick!” – that’s real good. Maybe if there were a Men’s Center at Yale we wouldn’t have so many fucked up frats…
So do they give out free condoms at the Women’s Center? If so I aughta check that place out. Although I suspect they only give out the female kind you stick in the vagina. What fun is having sex with that, the rubber ring sticking out and everything? Eww. The female condom compared to the male condom. That’s a neat metaphor for the feminist movement.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:00 pm
I think these misogynist asshats need to OD and relieve the world of their asshatness.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:01 pm
I’m going to do something real funny. We’ll see how everyone likes it.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:02 pm
I think these misogynist asshats need to OD and relieve the world of their asshatness.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:17 pm
I think the appropriate solution would be for Yale to kick them out.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Why does nobody understand what “free speech” means –it does NOT give anyone the right to say whatever they want without consequence. And if you don’t think this is the case, go start a blog calling for the assassination of the commander in chief and see where your free speech rights get you.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Who cares?
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:08 pm
“Big Jewry?” I am speechless. I have nothing.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:19 pm
By the accounts I’ve seen this wasn’t just speech. They were blockading the women’s center, and intimidating members of the yale community in a way that made them fearful. That is not protected free speech. It is harassment and therefore prosecutable either in court and/or through the university.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Ok people, everyone needs to get the facts straight here.
1. This occurred at 12:31 AM, the Women’s Center was closed, and the only people near the individuals in question were people from Durfee’s
2. The individuals spent around 5 minutes, total, getting a picture with a Durfee’s employee and taking this photograph.
3. If there was any chanting, it was most likely the name of another fraternity, as many fraternities chant the names of other fraternities while doing things like scavenger hunts, i’m assuming most yalies have seen things like this over your time here, it is nothing abnormal for this time of the year. In this light, it may have been DKE (pronounced Deek)that was being chanted, as these frats have a particularly close relationship between members.
4. The Women’s Center has yet to contact any representative of Zeta Psi, though Zeta Psi has made efforts to contact them multiple times. They know there are no legal grounds, this is just a PR act.
5. My personal theory on the matter is that their legal advisors told them they had nothing without an actual person there. After which their ex PR director (did you read that part) decided to fill in a story that involves her hovering half a city block away from the location, as she was so terrified of these men. Note though, that no other person in Durfee’s let them interfere with their missions to attain late-night munchies.
6. The workers of Durfee’s heard no chanting in front of their establishment, next door to the Women’s Center
7. Last year, the LGBTQ group on campus slandered multiple students by publicly posting their facebook profiles, which happened to offend them. This behavior is similar of the Women’s Center.
8. The act was deplorable, yes, but not illegal.
9. The Women’s Center and the YDN possess more current legal liability than does Zeta Psi. The Women’s Center has intentionally e-mailed the copyrighted material, along with threats of legal action, to an undisclosed panlist with the express intent of ruining the reputation of the fraternity. And, the YDN is liable for publishing a copyrighted picture with an article that can be easily interpreted as slanderous, racist, and more generally in violation of journalistic principles.
Personally, I see a dumb action that an activist group has rallied around as a crime. If it is a crime, it is a victimless crime, and the amplification of such a trivial issue (in light of the current state of the world) is reprehensible.
“Intolerance will not be tolerated”
-Cartman, South Park
Women’s Center’s actions = Fascism and Fear tactics
Zeta Psi’s actions = A joke, in extremely poor taste
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:02 am
Regardless of whether you think that this act merits punishment, the fact is that these guys should have seen trouble coming when they took a picture of themselves holding up an offensive sign. What a novice move.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:58 am
“to an undisclosed panlist with the express intent of ruining the reputation of the fraternity”
What kind of reputation are you attempting to uphold, exactly?
“In this light, it may have been DKE (pronounced Deek)that was being chanted, as these frats have a particularly close relationship between members. ”
Right. This is apparently not the first time it has happened to the Women’s Center as students recount stories of frat pledges gathering in front of the Women’s Center chanting such hilarious gems as:
“No means yes, maybe means yes, yes means anal”
Gee. I wonder who I believe? Thanks for the good laugh.
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:14 am
@kuiku
“and my sister said that she heard her friend’s friend say that about 6 years ago someone said that the Yale Women’s Center loved anal”
Don’t bring up hearsay, it does nothing to contribute to a dialog.
You wonder who to believe? Hm, interesting, because i’m really sure that you know all the members of this fraternity for who they actually are, not for who they are portrayed to be in a PR stunt that took a picture not intended for the public sphere, and illegally used it to compare Zeta Psi to bigoted racists.
Guess what, they are the most racially and socioeconomically diverse frat on campus, as “Hmmm” mentioned, and contrary to what you might think, they don’t go around abusing women as a hobby.
This is such bullshit, and personally, i think women partially have themselves to blame when millions of them glorify people such as Paris Hilton, who popularized the term “slut” as used in a completely casual context. The world is not the IvyLeague, with its ivory towers of moral indignation, nor should it be, get real.
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:21 am
@kuiku
“and my sister said that she heard her friend’s friend say that about 6 years ago someone said that the Yale Women’s Center loved anal”
Don’t bring up hearsay, it does nothing to contribute to a dialog.
You wonder who to believe? Hm, interesting, because i’m really sure that you know all the members of this fraternity for who they actually are, not for who they are portrayed to be in a PR stunt that took a picture not intended for the public sphere, and illegally used it to compare Zeta Psi to bigoted racists.
Guess what, they are the most racially and socioeconomically diverse frat on campus, as “Hmmm” mentioned, and contrary to what you might think, they don’t go around abusing women as a hobby.
This is such bullshit, and personally, i think women partially have themselves to blame when millions of them glorify people such as Paris Hilton, who popularized the term “slut” as used in a completely casual context. The world is not the IvyLeague, with its ivory towers of moral indignation, nor should it be, get real.
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:26 am
@kuiku
“and my sister said that she heard her friend’s friend say that about 6 years ago someone said that the Yale Women’s Center loved anal”
Don’t bring up hearsay, it does nothing to contribute to a dialog.
You wonder who to believe? Hm, interesting, because i’m really sure that you know all the members of this fraternity for who they actually are, not for who they are portrayed to be in a PR stunt that took a picture not intended for the public sphere, and illegally used it to compare Zeta Psi to bigoted racists.
Guess what, they are the most racially and socioeconomically diverse frat on campus, as “Hmmm” mentioned, and contrary to what you might think, they don’t go around abusing women as a hobby.
This is such bullshit, and personally, i think women partially have themselves to blame when millions of them glorify people such as Paris Hilton, who popularized the term “slut” as used in a completely casual context. The world is not the IvyLeague, with its ivory towers of moral indignation, nor should it be, get real.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:31 am
@Y’08
You do realize that people glorify Paris Hilton because we still live in a society that overwhelmingly sends the message that women’s primary value comes from their sexual appeal, right?
It’s fine if you think of this as a practical joke, but it is hard not to also see this as endemic of a larger problem that society has. It’s so easy to come up with excuses as to why “X” group of people doesn’t deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. I have heard numerous excuses in this thread and every last one of them is pathetic.
I don’t know who these guys are, but I don’t care. To call it a PR stunt implies the Women’s Center was behind the whole thing, when it was still, quite frankly, a group of immature boys who decided that this would be a hi-fucking-larious thing to do. They got caught; I have no sympathy for them. If they didn’t want it to be for public consumption they should have at least been more careful (and, I don’t know….not let someone take their photo and post it on Facebook.) If they don’t go around abusing women as a hobby, they should have been capable of thinking through how this stunt would appear but either they didn’t or didn’t care (until they got caught.) If they don’t want to be called misogynists, then they shouldn’t act like misogynists. “You are who you pretend to be, so be careful who you pretend to be.” – Kurt Vonnegut
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:51 am
“Guess what, they are the most racially and socioeconomically diverse frat on campus”
Guess what, that has never, and never will, meant “not misogynist”
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm
What? If women didn’t act like sluts you wouldn’t call them sluts? It’s men who popularized the term slut and continue to find ways to degrade, shame, and abuse women for their sex. To choose to do it in front of a place of women’s peer support and counselling is a new low for men.
January 23rd, 2008 at 4:02 pm
I’m a girl at Dartmouth… and think this is hilarious. Yale women, get a sense of humor.
January 23rd, 2008 at 4:56 pm
yale ladies should get off their periods and make me a sandwich barefoot in the kitchen imho
January 23rd, 2008 at 5:15 pm
This event and, even more so, this thread of reader comments from Yalies, says so much about why Yale, Brown and Columbia (in approximately that order) are laughed at by clear-thinking individuals as inhabited by leftist, self-proclaimed “victims” on the constant look-out for reasons to be offended.
Yalies, you are all losers. Ha ha ha.
January 23rd, 2008 at 5:18 pm
As this sign was clearly directed at “Yale sluts,” only Yale sluts have been sexually harassed by the sign. Is the Women’s Center suggesting that their membership is composed exclusively of Yale sluts?
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:35 pm
That’s what happens when you are in a liberal elitist place. Freaking whiners.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Ah, loonie leftists on campus. What fun.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:22 pm
The vast majority of you brownshirt feminists from outside Yale have no clue what you’re talking about. The YWC is not a “rape counseling center” nor a place chicks go to obtain birth control. It’s a shitty room next to Durfees where a handful of lesbians and sundry other hairy-pits hang out on weekends. Moreover, these man-haters haven’t always been so sensitive… it was only a few years ago that YWC itself *hosted* a weekend show by a local band called Nutz in Ya Mouth. The show and lyrics were what you’d expect from the name. Great show, I was there. Now we’re to believe this place is some kind of temple where dozens and dozens of rape victims congregate every night?? F*ck off.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:07 pm
The idea that they would actually take legal action against the boys for this prank is insane. What ever happened to freedom of speech?
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:09 pm
The idea that they would actually take legal action against the boys for this prank is insane. What ever happened to freedom of speech?
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:11 pm
It’s too bad these gentlemen are Ivy Leaguers. Otherwise, they could just claim an embarassing miscommunication due to proper grammar.
Perhaps their intentions were forcefully jingoistic-”WE LOVE YALE, SLUTS.”
Or maybe it was a statement of self-affirmation by a group with a collective psycho-sexual shame complex-”WE LOVE. -YALE SLUTS.”
Or a candid discourse on the nature of affection, and its relation to alcohol, on today’s university campuses-”WE LOVE Y? ALE, SLUTS.”
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:12 pm
The idea that they would actually take legal action against the boys for this prank is insane. What ever happened to freedom of speech?
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:14 pm
It’s too bad these gentlemen are Ivy Leaguers. Otherwise, they could just claim an embarassing miscommunication due to proper grammar.
Perhaps their intentions were forcefully jingoistic-”WE LOVE YALE, SLUTS.”
Or maybe it was a statement of self-affirmation by a group with a collective psycho-sexual shame complex-”WE LOVE. -YALE SLUTS.”
Or a candid discourse on the nature of affection, and its relation to alcohol, on today’s university campuses-”WE LOVE Y? ALE, SLUTS.”
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:01 pm
This isn’t the whole story. Apparently they camped out there for some time, chanting “Dick, dick dick” and clustering to prevent women from entering the building.
Now, you’re a girl who’s been raped and is finally getting together the courage to seek counseling at the Women’s Centre, only to be menaced by a crowd of 20-some frat boys on your approach. Boys who are using derogatory terminology toward you.
You don’t think that’s harassment? Or psychologically damaging? I think they have a case, because that’s just sickening.
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Again, let’s work on our literacy. Given your spelling of “centre” it’s clear you’re not in New Haven and half no fucking clue what you’re talking about.
1. They were yelling “deek” (as in rival house, DKE), not “dick.”
2. Hypothetical “women” were not attempting to enter, given that it was 1am; YWC was closed.
3. Rape victims do not go to the YWC “for counseling” because the YWC does not offer such counseling. Not at 1am, not ever (please spare me the sanctimonious after-the-fact nebulous concoctions of YWC members that they do offer some sort of “support” – it’s not a counseling center.
4. On what basis do you assert that they “camped out” there? You do realize you’re talking about a fairly well lit public sidewalk 2 feet from the main campus convenience store with heavy foot traffic at that time? Oh wait, you don’t realize that, because you’ve never set foot in New Haven.
Thanks for your opinion though, moron.
January 24th, 2008 at 12:31 am
I agree that this is sexual harassment. We should expel these guys, and Quinnipiac University should sue the Yale Symphony Orchestra for implying that all QPac girls were sluts in their latest Halloween show. Yale should expel anyone who plays hiphop music that demeans women at parties. We should shut down Toad’s until they play only YWC-approved artists. Women are fleeing Toad’s in fear because of patriarchal artists such as Ludacris and Master P. No one feels safe at parties where Ben Fold’s cover of “Bitches Ain’t Shit” is played. At the YSO Halloween show, only male laughter was heard during the QPac slut sequence. The women in the crowd began shivering in terror.
Give me a f***in break.
January 24th, 2008 at 1:35 am
I love the rage in some of these posts. For me, there is nothing more hysterical than 18-22 year-old ivy-leaguers that post semi-altruistic arguments using ridiculously over-worded statements to make themselves feel like they aren’t getting bent over for their tuition.
With that said, as a Yale student myself, I think Yale and the city of New Haven have more important issues to address (say….anything west of York St.). There was NO harassment. This picture was 1) taken in the wee hours of the morning (when the center was closed), 2) not sent to any student or staff member, and 3) nearly innocuous in content. In order to be offended by this you would have to consider yourself a slut (otherwise this “harassment” was not directed to you). Further, there was only “love” given in the picture.
January 24th, 2008 at 3:14 am
While I generally side with Zeta Psi on this issue (at least insofar as I don’t think they should be subject to any LEGAL penalties; penalties from Zeta Psi North America and Yale are a different story), it’s pretty incorrect to say that a fraternity whose Yale facebook group says “Zeta Psi at Yale has always been synonymous with Yale Athletics. The majority of its membership is made up of members of the Varsity Football, Basketball and Track teams, but we have and welcome non-varsity athletes as well” is the most diverse fraternity on campus. Not that this is any knock on Zeta, and they are significantly more diverse than, say Deke or ADPhi, but it’s still virtually exclusively composed of athletes (by its own admission). That’s pretty damn homogeneous if you ask me.
January 24th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
to the chicks from other schools saying Yale chicks need to get a sense of humor – i don’t think you get this. i don’t think you understand what the Women’s Center means to women on campus, and I don’t think you understand what it’s like to be a woman at Yale. not all cases of gender discrimination here are limited to “sexual harassment” – there are times that, in general, females are seen as inferior just for having an inverted penis.
to everyone who thinks girls who are offended by this just need to get laid – i’m having a good amount of sex. and usually, i don’t agree with the Women’s Center or feminists in general – but this IS offensive. like at any other school, there are nice frat guys on campus, and then there are these dudes… and if you’ve ever had a class/section with one of these guys, or met him at a party, you know you know he’s serious, you know he’s disrespecting and you know he’s a douchebag. and THAT is a reason to be pissed.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
At least pasty nasty ivy league girls can have solace in the fact that someone appreciates them.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:38 am
i love all the sluts who have commented on this article. i am standing in front of a women’s center at the moment. love you guys, seriously. can i call you ‘guys?’ is that okay? okay. good.
January 25th, 2008 at 1:48 am
So a traumatized rape victim comes to the center, sees a bunch of young men standing with a sign in front of it, and should think, “Oh, ha ha, I’m a slut…I should just loosen up and forgive the person who raped me. Maybe I should just try to find some consensual sex and forget about this whole thing. Those silly boys and their pranks..Duh…” I hope you victim-blaming, knuckle-dragging idiots never procreate.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Shouldn’t only “Yale Sluts” be offended by this? No???
January 26th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
I’m confused. Maybe at Yale they do things a little bit differently than at Dartmouth, but didn’t the sign say “we love Yale sluts” … at the Big D, the sign would have read “we hate Dartmouth sluts.” What do said Yale sluts expect? Only when said schools stop accepting insecure girls with low self esteem will men no longer refer to them as sluts and regard them as women. Until then, said sluts should sit back and enjoy the attention… something they don’t get the other 364 days of the year.
January 26th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
I’m confused. Maybe at Yale they do things a little bit differently than at Dartmouth, but didn’t the sign say “we love Yale sluts” … at the Big D, the sign would have read “we hate Dartmouth sluts.” What do said Yale sluts expect? Only when said schools stop accepting insecure girls with low self esteem will men no longer refer to them as sluts and regard them as women. Until then, said sluts should sit back and enjoy the attention… something they don’t get the other 364 days of the year.
January 27th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Eugene Parvous, fuck off, cunt. You will never embody sumptuousness, ivy or not.
January 27th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Haha this is awesome
I love how people get so pissed off
Get a life man hating feminists.
January 27th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
I also have not met any Yale sluts as of yet. But I am sure they are awesome.
January 27th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Funny how everyone will be so quick to blame feminists. You know, for being like, so fucking sensitive. However, the fact that these limp-dick retards are standing in front of a RAPE CRISIS CENTER is just typical–of you know, college guys.
Secondly, to all the guys who are whining about the first amendment: Yes, everyone is entitled to free speech, but all that means is that you’re allowed to speak your mind. The first amendment does not protect against criticism or judgment from others. Therefore, these numb nuts may be exercising their free speech rights, but so is the Women’s Center in expressing their disgust over this shit. Funny how you’ll debate what is or is not sexual harassment but clearly have no understanding of the first amendment.
January 27th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Am I the only one amused at how a Harvard boy (crimson) is telling Yale girls that THEY should get laid? Next time you make sexist comments on a message board, make sure you aren’t obviously and pathetically projecting your own problems onto other people :-) Just because the Women’s Center members are offended at a frat’s offensive comments doesn’t mean they lack a sex life…non-sequitur, anyone?
January 27th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Therefore, these numb nuts may be exercising their free speech rights, but so is the Women’s Center in expressing their disgust over this shit.
exactly the stupid feminists get to exercise their rights by losing a stupid law suit.
January 28th, 2008 at 3:07 am
“Stupid law suit”? Because shouting “Dick!” in front of a crisis center while women try to enter is the epitome of intelligence? I’d much rather be the person to file a “stupid” suit than one of those asshats posing in that photo. You guys must not understand just how tasteless this whole ordeal was. They could have written that little sign and posed ANYWHERE on campus, for the love of God. But they just had to choose the Women’s Center, right? And they just had to shout, “Dick!” at women as they entered, right? All of this was intended to be funny? And because its intentions were comical that makes it all okay? Crazy feminist > limp-dick frat boy.
January 28th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Wow, Yale ‘11 doesn’t know how to spell biggotry, but can smell it, when she sees it. What a morron.
January 28th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Wow, Yale ‘11 doesn’t know how to spell biggotry, but can smell it, when she sees it. What a morron.
January 29th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Probably the worst thing about the incident was that the Zeta Psi rushees were blocking people from coming in or out and chanting “dick dick dick.”
This constitutes a serious fire-hazard, noise pollution, and impediment to the free passage of women to the centre.
January 29th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Probably the worst thing about the incident was that the Zeta Psi rushees were blocking people from coming in or out and chanting “dick dick dick.”
This constitutes a serious fire-hazard, noise pollution, and impediment to the free passage of women to the centre.
January 29th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
The obvious point to make is that Yale sluts grow up. And they’ve been growing up for some time now. They grow up into CEOs, CFOs, senior partners in law firms. Heads of merchant banks. Faculty principals. Against all the odds, through all the crap. And they have very long memories. This little exercise may have been very comical for the participants. But Zeta Psis now have a slight odour about them. There’s something at the back of one’s mind when it gets mentioned on a resume. Not discrimination – of course – just a slight sense that with 200 others for the vacancy one would prefer to look at the ones which might not prove – problematic.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
I think that some people are forgetting that Yale is not the world, it is a school. The fact that the rape crisis women’s center has to sue Yale to get them to acknowledge that men should not be allowed to stand outside and yell and hold signs that say demeaning, sexual things about female students is preposterous. Yale should take care of this themselves. What kind of education are Yale’s men and women getting from this particular situation?
Oh and guys? I don’t think that the outcry is because feminists hate MEN (as far as I know, the women from the women’s center did not go and yell hateful things in front of the fraternity), but that they hate being called sluts when trying to enter the women’s center.
September 13th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Yale lets any trustfunder or retard with enough of Mommy and Daddy’s money in these days. Giovanni Christodoulou? LOL complete faggot.
September 13th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Giovanni Christodoulou is the type of crybaby bitch who gets his daddy to get him a job at the office playing with Excel with a finger up his ass.
September 13th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
http://www.yalebulldogs.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/christodoulou_gio00.html
lolol 5′10? this douche would be lucky to let one of these yale chicks lick his ballsack.