Rowdy Dartmouth Frat Returns, Forcing Sorority’s Eviction; Animal House Not Even Cited Once in This Post

Rowdy Dartmouth Frat Returns, Forcing Sorority's Eviction; <em>Animal House Not Even Cited Once in This Post</em>Enraged estrogen came to a boil yesterday when 200 angry Dartmouth ladies took to the streets of Hanover to protest sorority Alpha Xi Delta’s eviction at the hands of rowdy frat Beta Theta Pi. Following decampment in 1996 for racist, homophobic, and criminally violent behavior, the Betas’ history gets complicated and all, you know, Greek to me, so here’s Dartmouth correspondent Ben O’Donnell with all the tawdry deets.

As any red-blooded administration-hater at Dartmouth will tell you, nine years ago the authority figures tried to take away that which is most precious to us students: our Greek houses.  The plan was jettisoned after students and alumni brought to the administration’s attention how lame ice cream socials and movie nights are, but many still harbored suspicions of an anti-Greek conspiracy.

The administration’s news a few days ago took those suspicions, poisoned them, shot them repeatedly, beat them with clubs as they attempted to stagger away in escape, and threw them into the ice-covered Neva River.  The headline in The D might have read “Awesome Frat to Return to Campus,” and, indeed, some may have received the news of Beta Theta Pi’s impending reinstatement that way. 

Many students, however, have been tripping over their retro-’80s sneakers with the neon laces in their rush to condemn the administration’s decision, and I’m not just talking about the half with the two X chromosomes and sometimes questionable interpretations of the concept of “fun.”  Because, of course, there’s much more to this story, which has a “permanently” derecognized jock frat moving back into the house its alumni still own and kicking out the sorority that leases the house in the process.

After the jump, the Dick and Jane version of the story, in which Dick is a network of twelve hundred well-connected and deep-pocketed ex-frat boys who passed their time at Dartmouth beating up other dudes and shouting at gays, and Jane is a beleaguered sorority widely viewed on campus as pretty OK.  

Rowdy Dartmouth Frat Returns, Forcing Sorority's Eviction; <em>Animal House Not Even Cited Once in This Post</em>Beta Theta Pi was expelled from campus in 1996 after a decade of disorderly conduct on an institutional level, and the following year, a new sorority, Alpha Xi Delta, began to lease the Beta house from Beta’s trustees.

Now, after a series of proceedings that made the November to March sky over Hanover look transparent, the administration announced a) that-surprise!-Beta would be returning to Dartmouth and b) that AZD would have to vacate the house by June.  The official stance is the powers-that-be had no choice, that Beta’s return as a college organization was a reaction to its threats of returning in an unofficial, uncontrollable, renegade capacity. A D article noted that the Deputy Director of the Dartmouth College Fund is a Beta alum, and an extremely unsubstantiated rumor has been going around that six of Dartmouth’s top ten donors are Beta boys.

Meanwhile AZD’s recompense from the College has been the promise of a way-the-fuck-out-there house that could hold a third of the number of girls that its current Frat Row digs can.  Because of the by-laws of national sororities, only two three of Dartmouth’s seven sororities (the local ones) can have parties. Once Beta and also-being-rerecognized Zeta Psi return to campus, there will be fifteen fraternities that can.  

I’ll leave you with the most divisive (and occasionally hilarious) document to come out of this fracas, a “Beta Theta Pi at Dartmouth” timeline circulated to women around campus:

BETA THETA PI AT Dartmouth

A History of Sexism, Assault, Hazing, Racism, Homophobia, Theft, and Destruction

1987

Beta Theta Pi was derecognized for making sexist remarks about Sigma Kappa  (now Sigma Delta) members, and despite a resolution of the conflict between the two houses, the College extended Beta’s derecognition to two years.

1991
The College derecognizes Beta for three terms after 10 Beta brothers kidnapped, tied up, and tormented a Chi Gamma Epsilon fraternity brother.  According to a letter from then?Dean of Residential Life Mary Turco, the members of Beta bound the Chi Gam member “with rope and tape, placed him in an automobile against his will, and transported him to 6 Webster Avenue where he was verbally abused and various fluids were repeatedly poured over him.”

October 1993

Two Beta members went to the room of a then?Beta pledge. After playing a drinking game in which the pledge had to take a whisky shot when he answered questions incorrectly, the brothers took him over to the house, where the pledge was shirtless and had his hands duct-taped to a trash can, which he was to bring
to anyone who needed to vomit.

May 1994
Beta’s Board of Trustees places 11 penalties on the house. Beta Theta Pi National suspends the Alpha Omega chapter’s charter.  The College suspends Beta Theta Pi’s recognition for one year and hands down 10 penalties to the house after a judicial hearing. Beta is found guilty of violating the College alcohol policy, disorderly conduct, failing to meet minimum standards, and violating Beta’s statement of purpose, code of ethics, and general conduct policy.

Summer 1995
Beta was condemned (but not sanctioned) by the College after the discovery of a racist and sexist poem that was allegedly read aloud at one of the fraternity’s weekly meetings.

June 1996
Beta Theta Pi members chase two Sigma Nu brothers out of the Beta basement. A Beta brother tackles a Sigma Nu brother on the lawn of The Tabard co?ed fraternity. A Tabard member then steps outside in response to the noise, and several Betas shout at him vulgar, racist, and homophobic epithets and threats. Beta is prohibited from participating in fall rush this year and is not allowed to have any alcohol in its house.

Summer 1996
Beta is placed under “suspended recognition,” which means full social suspension, as well as the denial of several privileges.

Fall 1996
Beta’s trustees discipline Beta for an incident in which Beta brothers attempted to take Chi Heorot fraternity’s “presidential throne.”

November 1996
Beta Theta Pi Fraternity is derecognized by the College.

December 1996
Beta brothers vandalize the house at 6 Webster Avenue in response to Beta’s derecognition, causing thousands of dollars of damages. Damage to the house included more than 30 broken windows, holes in the walls, painted graffiti, doors ripped off the hinges, a broken basement sewer pipe, overflowed toilets, discharged fire extinguishers, trash thrown about, and vomit on the floor, according to Hanover Police Chief Nick Giaccone. Vandalism causing damage in excess of $500 is a felony charge, according to Hanover Police Supervisor Richard Paulsen.

September 1997
The Beta Trustees agree to lease the house at 6 Webster Avenue to the sisters of the newly-formed sorority Alpha Xi Delta.

May 2007

Dean of Residential Life Marty Redman tells The Dartmouth that “the College’s revocation of recognition [of Beta Theta Pi] was deemed permanent at the time, akin to expelling a student.”

June 2007
A group of men break into the house at 6 Webster Avenue during reunion weekend and throw a party in the basement. They break a window to gain entrance to the house, vomit in multiple places, and paint Beta’s letters on the walls. When summoned to the scene, Safety and Security officers dismiss the vandals without taking down names. Beta advisor Jeff Sassorossi ’75 claims that the men were simply impersonating Betas.

December 20, 2007

The College comes to an agreement with the Beta Board of Trustees to allow Beta to return to campus and participate in rush during Fall term 2008.

January 9, 2008
Members of the Beta Board of Trustees and ORL meet with executives from Alpha Xi Delta, informing them that Beta will be returning and that the sorority must vacate the house at the end of Spring term 2008.

–BEN O’DONNELL 

  • anti-greek pro-coed

    D ’07 v.2: Ok, I’m glad you had a nice time in your frat. But I guess I also wonder if that kind of socialization is useful. Unless your going to be joining, I don’t know, an all-male pro-sports team, or some other single-sex career, the vast majority of college grads are going to be working in a coed atmosphere. shouldn’t you learn how to function among men and women and form lasting relationships with them regardless of their genitalia?

  • anti-greek pro-coed

    D ’07 v.2: Ok, I’m glad you had a nice time in your frat. But I guess I also wonder if that kind of socialization is useful. Unless your going to be joining, I don’t know, an all-male pro-sports team, or some other single-sex career, the vast majority of college grads are going to be working in a coed atmosphere. shouldn’t you learn how to function among men and women and form lasting relationships with them regardless of their genitalia?

  • d10

    Is nobody else shocked that Beta was derecognized for two years for making sexist remarks and for just three terms for fucking torturing somebody?

  • d10

    Is nobody else shocked that Beta was derecognized for two years for making sexist remarks and for just three terms for fucking torturing somebody?

  • Dartmouth ’09

    “a racist and sexist poem that was allegedly read aloud at one of the fraternity’s weekly meetings.”?!?!?!?

    This is ridiculous. So people can get in trouble for telling racist jokes? Eff that. My position on all this administration and everyone else getting involved in fraternities’ affairs BS is that everyone just leave us alone and we’ll leave you alone. If you get scared or offended or have your carefully crafted sense of what the world should be mixed up by our words or actions, then don’t come to our houses and drink our beer and think that it’s your God-given right to bitch and moan at the hand that feeds you. Most schools don’t have open door policies like Dartmouth does and whiners like you would have to figure out some way to buy alcohol for themselves. All of this shit pisses me off so much I can barely think straight.

    Thank God that in the real world nobody gives as much of a platform to these raving PC lunatics as they do in college.

  • Dartmouth ’09

    “a racist and sexist poem that was allegedly read aloud at one of the fraternity’s weekly meetings.”?!?!?!?

    This is ridiculous. So people can get in trouble for telling racist jokes? Eff that. My position on all this administration and everyone else getting involved in fraternities’ affairs BS is that everyone just leave us alone and we’ll leave you alone. If you get scared or offended or have your carefully crafted sense of what the world should be mixed up by our words or actions, then don’t come to our houses and drink our beer and think that it’s your God-given right to bitch and moan at the hand that feeds you. Most schools don’t have open door policies like Dartmouth does and whiners like you would have to figure out some way to buy alcohol for themselves. All of this shit pisses me off so much I can barely think straight.

    Thank God that in the real world nobody gives as much of a platform to these raving PC lunatics as they do in college.

  • D’ 07 V.2

    Re: anti-greek pro-coed says “But I guess I also wonder if that kind of socialization is useful.”

    Sorry but that logic pretty functionalist and, therefore, you are an idiot:

    My social behaviors are not a function of their future utility in the workforce or society but, if they are a conscious, rational, utility maximizing effort on my part (which, they are almost always not), they are a function of the immediate happiness they will produce.

    However, in a normative sense I suppose you are correct. I should be able to “learn how to function among men and women and form lasting relationships with them regardless of their genitalia?” Now, disregarding the fact that I already can and do operate quite successfully in social situations that encompass interaction with both genders, my point was that outside of this abstract world in which you are apparently living, my time at Dartmouth (and likely that of many frat and sorority members) would have been appreciably worse if my frat (sorority) was coed. Single sex organizations simply provide something that coeds don’t. I can’t explain it. They simply do. If they didn’t then the coeds (Tabard, Panarchy, Phi Tau, that other one next to Phi Tau, Amarna, all of which provide a coed “frat” experience) would be much more popular. Should it be that way? Maybe not. But it is. Moreover, if people really wanted a coed experience and believed that it would provide them with some greater happiness than single sex organizations, nothing is stopping houses from going coed.

    This also doesn’t mean that there shouldn’t be gender equality. Having a mere 7 sororities is pitiful and doesn’t afford women the opportunity to create the same kind of close bonds that guys, who tend to join in much smaller organizations, do.

  • D’ 07 V.2

    Re: anti-greek pro-coed says “But I guess I also wonder if that kind of socialization is useful.”

    Sorry but that logic pretty functionalist and, therefore, you are an idiot:

    My social behaviors are not a function of their future utility in the workforce or society but, if they are a conscious, rational, utility maximizing effort on my part (which, they are almost always not), they are a function of the immediate happiness they will produce.

    However, in a normative sense I suppose you are correct. I should be able to “learn how to function among men and women and form lasting relationships with them regardless of their genitalia?” Now, disregarding the fact that I already can and do operate quite successfully in social situations that encompass interaction with both genders, my point was that outside of this abstract world in which you are apparently living, my time at Dartmouth (and likely that of many frat and sorority members) would have been appreciably worse if my frat (sorority) was coed. Single sex organizations simply provide something that coeds don’t. I can’t explain it. They simply do. If they didn’t then the coeds (Tabard, Panarchy, Phi Tau, that other one next to Phi Tau, Amarna, all of which provide a coed “frat” experience) would be much more popular. Should it be that way? Maybe not. But it is. Moreover, if people really wanted a coed experience and believed that it would provide them with some greater happiness than single sex organizations, nothing is stopping houses from going coed.

    This also doesn’t mean that there shouldn’t be gender equality. Having a mere 7 sororities is pitiful and doesn’t afford women the opportunity to create the same kind of close bonds that guys, who tend to join in much smaller organizations, do.

  • D ’08 (another one…)

    I totally HATE to say this but I think the Princeton kid might be right (“anti-greek pro-coed”). Their eating houses are a good model for how a co-ed organization could work well…
    just b/c our very few co-eds are pretty lame doesn’t mean co-ed houses have to suck. They could potentially work pretty well. and I think it’d be pretty cool if we had more of them, esp if they were a bit more… mainstream…

  • D ’08 (another one…)

    I totally HATE to say this but I think the Princeton kid might be right (“anti-greek pro-coed”). Their eating houses are a good model for how a co-ed organization could work well…
    just b/c our very few co-eds are pretty lame doesn’t mean co-ed houses have to suck. They could potentially work pretty well. and I think it’d be pretty cool if we had more of them, esp if they were a bit more… mainstream…

  • D ’08

    @ d10 says / @ Dartmouth ’09 says:
    I don’t know much about the first set of sexist remarks (1987), but I believe there were more punishable acts involved. As to the second set (1995) the college did recognize the fraternity’s right to free speech, but informed them that it was not pleased.

    It does seem strange that the oollege’s punishment would be so lacking for a set of criminally punishable acts (kidnapping, abuse/assault).

    The sordid history seems to be speckled by questionable actions by the administration and sanctions that seemed in appropriate for the actions of the fraternity. How about felony vandalism?

    For instance, after years of temporary de-recognition or social probation for hazing, kidnapping and abuse, the most serious punishment was doled out for a keg violation?! I believe that the fraternity needed to be disbanded (as did their national when they yanked the charter) but it would seem to me that a more appropriate time for administrative action would be following serious criminal infractions, not alcohol violations.

    One last question: did the individuals involved ever get charged (in a non-Dartmouth sphere) for their crimes? How about

  • D ’08

    @ d10 says / @ Dartmouth ’09 says:
    I don’t know much about the first set of sexist remarks (1987), but I believe there were more punishable acts involved. As to the second set (1995) the college did recognize the fraternity’s right to free speech, but informed them that it was not pleased.

    It does seem strange that the oollege’s punishment would be so lacking for a set of criminally punishable acts (kidnapping, abuse/assault).

    The sordid history seems to be speckled by questionable actions by the administration and sanctions that seemed in appropriate for the actions of the fraternity. How about felony vandalism?

    For instance, after years of temporary de-recognition or social probation for hazing, kidnapping and abuse, the most serious punishment was doled out for a keg violation?! I believe that the fraternity needed to be disbanded (as did their national when they yanked the charter) but it would seem to me that a more appropriate time for administrative action would be following serious criminal infractions, not alcohol violations.

    One last question: did the individuals involved ever get charged (in a non-Dartmouth sphere) for their crimes? How about

  • anti-greek pro-coed

    nice, D ’07 V.2: you think i’m an idiot, but you “can’t explain” why you feel the way you do?

    the eating clubs at pton are extremely popular, and every one of them is co-ed. the frats and sororities here, by contrast, have a very limited role on campus and none of them have houses.

    i’m sure you’re capable of interacting with men and women pretty decently well. then the question you have to ask yourself is why did you submit to the artificial division created by the greek system?

    it seems to me that D’08 (another one… ) figured that one out–the coed houses at dartmouth just aren’t as popular because of whatever culture they have specific to their organizations, and not because they are coed.

    so, ok, maybe had you been in one of the dorky coed houses at dartmouth you wouldn’t have had as much fun as you did in your popular frat. i’m arguing that had you come to pton and joined any of the fun, popular, coed eating clubs you would have had a great time making lasting relationships with people with penises as well as people with vaginas.

  • anti-greek pro-coed

    nice, D ’07 V.2: you think i’m an idiot, but you “can’t explain” why you feel the way you do?

    the eating clubs at pton are extremely popular, and every one of them is co-ed. the frats and sororities here, by contrast, have a very limited role on campus and none of them have houses.

    i’m sure you’re capable of interacting with men and women pretty decently well. then the question you have to ask yourself is why did you submit to the artificial division created by the greek system?

    it seems to me that D’08 (another one… ) figured that one out–the coed houses at dartmouth just aren’t as popular because of whatever culture they have specific to their organizations, and not because they are coed.

    so, ok, maybe had you been in one of the dorky coed houses at dartmouth you wouldn’t have had as much fun as you did in your popular frat. i’m arguing that had you come to pton and joined any of the fun, popular, coed eating clubs you would have had a great time making lasting relationships with people with penises as well as people with vaginas.

  • d10

    Dear anti-greek pro-coed,

    “I’m arguing that had you come to pton…”

    On the one hand, had we gone to “pton,” we would have wonderful loverly coed eating clubs. On the other hand, if you’re any indication, we would be douchebags. I’m all in favor of coed Greeks myself, but we went to Dartmouth because we wanted NOT to go to school in fucking New Jersey, and we’re quite happy here.

  • d10

    Dear anti-greek pro-coed,

    “I’m arguing that had you come to pton…”

    On the one hand, had we gone to “pton,” we would have wonderful loverly coed eating clubs. On the other hand, if you’re any indication, we would be douchebags. I’m all in favor of coed Greeks myself, but we went to Dartmouth because we wanted NOT to go to school in fucking New Jersey, and we’re quite happy here.

  • sae

    phi alpha

  • sae

    phi alpha

  • anti-greek pro-coed

    d10: i’m not really sure how i earned the overused douchebag title… i didn’t really insult anyone… just making a point.
    i’m not saying dartmouth kids aren’t happy, and i’m glad that you are so happy (although for a happy person you sound pretty ticked off). i’m just saying frats and sororities have a strange, silly, and not-so-much-fun divide between people based on their gender. and that divide is minimized at my beloved pton.

  • anti-greek pro-coed

    d10: i’m not really sure how i earned the overused douchebag title… i didn’t really insult anyone… just making a point.
    i’m not saying dartmouth kids aren’t happy, and i’m glad that you are so happy (although for a happy person you sound pretty ticked off). i’m just saying frats and sororities have a strange, silly, and not-so-much-fun divide between people based on their gender. and that divide is minimized at my beloved pton.

  • d07

    It isn’t difficult to conceive of the rationale behind single-sex organizations. It probably goes something like this: it’s more difficult to form close, intimate bonds with people to whom you’re romantically or sexually attracted. So, they’re not entirely stupid or baseless, even if you can debate their merits.

  • d07

    It isn’t difficult to conceive of the rationale behind single-sex organizations. It probably goes something like this: it’s more difficult to form close, intimate bonds with people to whom you’re romantically or sexually attracted. So, they’re not entirely stupid or baseless, even if you can debate their merits.

  • D ’08 (v. whatever)

    I think the persistence of single sex houses has more to do w/ our history.
    Dartmouth had a strong frat culture before it went coed into the 70s. and the brothers weren’t going to take their houses coed just because the college went that way. Many have ties to national orgs which are single sex, and influential alums who would not be happy to their houses go coed.
    Sororities exist as an option for girls in this environment where frats were already so strong.
    yo princeton kid- how did the eating houses end up coed in the first place? I guess, it was easier w/o national org restrictions or as much alum influence… but there must have been some traditions… or were they founded post coeducation? are they actually as social as dartmouth frats? do people live there?

  • D ’08 (v. whatever)

    I think the persistence of single sex houses has more to do w/ our history.
    Dartmouth had a strong frat culture before it went coed into the 70s. and the brothers weren’t going to take their houses coed just because the college went that way. Many have ties to national orgs which are single sex, and influential alums who would not be happy to their houses go coed.
    Sororities exist as an option for girls in this environment where frats were already so strong.
    yo princeton kid- how did the eating houses end up coed in the first place? I guess, it was easier w/o national org restrictions or as much alum influence… but there must have been some traditions… or were they founded post coeducation? are they actually as social as dartmouth frats? do people live there?

  • anti-greek pro-coed

    To answer D’08s questions: Eating clubs are essentially as old as princeton and have a lot of alumni influence–but perhaps not as much as frats (not sure). I believe they went coed as a result of a lawsuit–wikipedia “eating clubs”.
    Officers live there, but the general membership does not. They function as dining halls during the day and have house parties/concerts/etc at night.
    The historical perspective you bring up here is actually very important for my point. Frats assist men in winning jobs and promotions in an environment in which they are already at an advantage… this is a more serious reason why they should go coed.
    As for d07′s analysis: ever met a gay or lesbian frat or sorority member? Did they seem somehow incapable of relating to the other brothers or sisters?
    As a heterosexual female member of a pton eating club, I can honestly say that sexual attraction to male members (pun intended) has not been the kind of obstacle you presume it would be. But maybe I’m an abberation… r u frat guys generally attracted to every woman you see?

  • anti-greek pro-coed

    To answer D’08s questions: Eating clubs are essentially as old as princeton and have a lot of alumni influence–but perhaps not as much as frats (not sure). I believe they went coed as a result of a lawsuit–wikipedia “eating clubs”.
    Officers live there, but the general membership does not. They function as dining halls during the day and have house parties/concerts/etc at night.
    The historical perspective you bring up here is actually very important for my point. Frats assist men in winning jobs and promotions in an environment in which they are already at an advantage… this is a more serious reason why they should go coed.
    As for d07′s analysis: ever met a gay or lesbian frat or sorority member? Did they seem somehow incapable of relating to the other brothers or sisters?
    As a heterosexual female member of a pton eating club, I can honestly say that sexual attraction to male members (pun intended) has not been the kind of obstacle you presume it would be. But maybe I’m an abberation… r u frat guys generally attracted to every woman you see?

  • Old

    So much greek hating. Sad to see. Just as sad to see greeks embarrassing themselves by reinforcing the very stereotypes that people are complaining about. Most of you seem to be recent grads or still in school, so let me say this to both pro-greeks and anti-greeks, as somebody who will be attending a 10 year Dartmouth reunion this summer – you are too close to the situation to really understand it.

    After you graduate, you will end up in some city (invariably larger than Hanover, NH) and you will find that of your 10 best friends from college, you keep in touch with about half on a regular basis. You will find this strange, but that is life. Then something even stranger will happen – you will become friends with Dartmouth people that you never knew in college. Perhaps you meet them at a young alumni event, or you end up in the same industry, or the same law/business/medical school, or have mutual friends.

    I was hardcore greek (still am really), president of a house, drank all day long, puked more than I went to class (not that I’m implying that you have to be borderline alcoholic to be “hardcore greek”). Now I’m friends with all sorts of Dartmouth people that I never would have come in contact with while in school. The same is true of every other alum I know. There are a lot of social boundaries during college that fade away after graduation. When you think back, you will wish that you had taken yourself a little bit less seriously. This is true of independents as well by the way. You greek haters will one day find yourself good friends with Greeks and you will wonder why you hated the greek system as much as you did. You will come to understand that your greek friends are normal members of society, not the barbarians you once thought them to be. They will tell you about how they didn’t REALLY like to be the social hub of the campus and how they wish they had ventured out of the basement more often. Whichever camp you are in now, you will eventually come to understand that the DARTMOUTH experience is what really counts.

    So do yourselves a favor. Stop fighting about it. You might insult somebody who you will eventually be friends with. Greek haters, stop hating. The greek system has its place at Dartmouth and the college is better for it. Greek lovers, don’t take yourselves so seriously. Understand that being part of a house creates a mob mentality in which behavior can rapidly deteriorate to neanderthalesque levels.

    One thing that you should all agree on is that Dartmouth’s social scene is male dominated. Beta should come back, they own their house and they were once the model fraternity at Dartmouth (albeit 40 years ago). I can’t tell you how much it would pain me if my fraternity was gone from Dartmouth forever. But the administration has a responsibility to balance things out with more sororities. They shouldn’t be next to Levrone either. What a miserable walk that would be in the winter. Get them closer to campus. Move Blunt or build a new house in the parking lot behind Mass row.

    To you Princeton folks, I had a few high school friends who ended up in eating clubs. I had a good time visiting them at Princeton, but they always had more fun when they came to Dartmouth. To you Columbia folks. I’m not friends with any of you, so I guess that I lack perspective on this issue because I still think you are a bunch of douches.

  • Old

    So much greek hating. Sad to see. Just as sad to see greeks embarrassing themselves by reinforcing the very stereotypes that people are complaining about. Most of you seem to be recent grads or still in school, so let me say this to both pro-greeks and anti-greeks, as somebody who will be attending a 10 year Dartmouth reunion this summer – you are too close to the situation to really understand it.

    After you graduate, you will end up in some city (invariably larger than Hanover, NH) and you will find that of your 10 best friends from college, you keep in touch with about half on a regular basis. You will find this strange, but that is life. Then something even stranger will happen – you will become friends with Dartmouth people that you never knew in college. Perhaps you meet them at a young alumni event, or you end up in the same industry, or the same law/business/medical school, or have mutual friends.

    I was hardcore greek (still am really), president of a house, drank all day long, puked more than I went to class (not that I’m implying that you have to be borderline alcoholic to be “hardcore greek”). Now I’m friends with all sorts of Dartmouth people that I never would have come in contact with while in school. The same is true of every other alum I know. There are a lot of social boundaries during college that fade away after graduation. When you think back, you will wish that you had taken yourself a little bit less seriously. This is true of independents as well by the way. You greek haters will one day find yourself good friends with Greeks and you will wonder why you hated the greek system as much as you did. You will come to understand that your greek friends are normal members of society, not the barbarians you once thought them to be. They will tell you about how they didn’t REALLY like to be the social hub of the campus and how they wish they had ventured out of the basement more often. Whichever camp you are in now, you will eventually come to understand that the DARTMOUTH experience is what really counts.

    So do yourselves a favor. Stop fighting about it. You might insult somebody who you will eventually be friends with. Greek haters, stop hating. The greek system has its place at Dartmouth and the college is better for it. Greek lovers, don’t take yourselves so seriously. Understand that being part of a house creates a mob mentality in which behavior can rapidly deteriorate to neanderthalesque levels.

    One thing that you should all agree on is that Dartmouth’s social scene is male dominated. Beta should come back, they own their house and they were once the model fraternity at Dartmouth (albeit 40 years ago). I can’t tell you how much it would pain me if my fraternity was gone from Dartmouth forever. But the administration has a responsibility to balance things out with more sororities. They shouldn’t be next to Levrone either. What a miserable walk that would be in the winter. Get them closer to campus. Move Blunt or build a new house in the parking lot behind Mass row.

    To you Princeton folks, I had a few high school friends who ended up in eating clubs. I had a good time visiting them at Princeton, but they always had more fun when they came to Dartmouth. To you Columbia folks. I’m not friends with any of you, so I guess that I lack perspective on this issue because I still think you are a bunch of douches.

  • Old is a class act

    lol. Old… i guess you’re not old enough to have outgrown silly namecalling like “I still thing you are a bunch of douches.”
    I guess you can take the alcoholic out of the frat basement, but you can’t take the frat basement out of the alcoholic.

  • Old is a class act

    lol. Old… i guess you’re not old enough to have outgrown silly namecalling like “I still thing you are a bunch of douches.”
    I guess you can take the alcoholic out of the frat basement, but you can’t take the frat basement out of the alcoholic.

  • Old

    When it comes to Columbia, I will never be that mature. I’m kidding. Columbia isn’t THAT bad.

    By the way, of the 4 Dartmouth produced alcoholics I know, 3 were independent. It is the ones who spend their weekends drinking hard stuff alone in their rooms that you have to worry about.

  • Old

    When it comes to Columbia, I will never be that mature. I’m kidding. Columbia isn’t THAT bad.

    By the way, of the 4 Dartmouth produced alcoholics I know, 3 were independent. It is the ones who spend their weekends drinking hard stuff alone in their rooms that you have to worry about.

  • @ Old again

    I wasn’t worried about frat guys in general being alcoholics… just seemed like you got to the first of the twelve steps: admitting you have a problem “drank all day long, puked more than I went to class.”
    I was actually pointing out that you still have a sterotypical frat boy mentality perfectly exhibited in the end of your post: “you are a bunch of douches.”

  • @ Old again

    I wasn’t worried about frat guys in general being alcoholics… just seemed like you got to the first of the twelve steps: admitting you have a problem “drank all day long, puked more than I went to class.”
    I was actually pointing out that you still have a sterotypical frat boy mentality perfectly exhibited in the end of your post: “you are a bunch of douches.”

  • Old

    Thanks buddy, I understood you the first time. It was supposed to sound like that. A joke. Coming full circle from the beginning of the post in a self deprecating way. If you can’t make fun of yourself, you shouldn’t make fun of anybody else…

    Don’t take things so seriously. Columbia students say much worse things about Dartmouth students, and they don’t really mean it either.

  • Old

    Thanks buddy, I understood you the first time. It was supposed to sound like that. A joke. Coming full circle from the beginning of the post in a self deprecating way. If you can’t make fun of yourself, you shouldn’t make fun of anybody else…

    Don’t take things so seriously. Columbia students say much worse things about Dartmouth students, and they don’t really mean it either.

  • Columbia 08

    That timeline really doesn’t seem so extreme to me. Maybe I’m a bad person?

  • Columbia 08

    That timeline really doesn’t seem so extreme to me. Maybe I’m a bad person?