George H. W. Bush: One Last Bonesman Bash?
An interesting coincidence: The same weekend that George H. W. Bush (Y’48, S&B’4life) dropped by New Haven to receive a Yale alumni award, witnesses saw a truck from the nearby Hamden Rental Center unloading an impressive quantity of tables and chairs at the Skull & Bones tomb. Famously absent from Boner bashes in recent years (last appearance we can confirm was in 1998), all signs point to the 83-year-old Bush Sr. as guest of honor at the Bones’ latest homoerotic leather-daddy Satan-worship, or ritualized flag-burning, or whatever strange and magical things they do in those windowless buildings on High Street.
Obviously, the Bonesmen declined to comment on this story. Also obviously, there are no photos of Bush strolling into the tomb. So instead, at right, Bush frolicking in the streets of New Haven. He appears to be packing a snowball, but actually he is signing a baseball. Because that’s what you do when you’re old, famous, and powerful: sign sports paraphernalia that has absolutely nothing to do with the reason you are famous.
As for that blatant O-face beneath the words “Toad’s Funk,” I think we just got a new sexual euphemism.
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December 17th, 2007 at 2:23 pm
“Because that’s what you do when you’re old, famous, and powerful: sign sports paraphernalia that has absolutely to do with your life or career.”
uh…not that I’m a huge fan of HW, but do your homework, Ivygate. He was captain of the baseball team as an undergrad.
December 17th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
Ah, George I…a much better Bush than George II.
December 17th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Y10 is right, IvyGate. Do your work.
December 17th, 2007 at 3:54 pm
HW’s birthday parties are de facto Skull and Bones reunions.
December 17th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
one of my friends saw him go into the bineke rare books library (rumored to have a connecting passageway with skull and bones)
December 17th, 2007 at 4:57 pm
not only is there a connecting passageway between the so-called Skull and Bones Crypt and Beinecke Rare Books library, but there is also rumored to be an underground pathway between the Skull and Bones Crypt on High St. and the ironically-titled, nearby club “Geronimo.” Supposedly BONESMEN drink there on evenings when they meet because they are not allowed to drink inside. And supposedly a third connection links the crypt to New Haven Water & Sewage Management. Some students hinted that this was for a large aquarium, possibly holding a whale or collection of octopi, but that can’t honestly be true. Though there is an oddly large number of ink suppliers run out of the greater New Haven area. Strange…
December 17th, 2007 at 5:11 pm
my best friend in silliman’s fro co is in skull and bones.
December 17th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
and…
great story mate
December 17th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
ok.
I think the world needs to know what goes on inside that tomb. were they relaying a message to W through poppy Bush about bombing Iran?
You’re all a bunch of sell outs. Supporting the War in Iraq and the current imperial presidency. And I think you should be named.
Easha Anand
Mark Beyersdorf
Haruko Castro
Victor Cazares
Maura Fitzgerald
Noah Hood
Sarah Kabay
Andrew Law
John Mittermeier
Crystal Paul Laughinghouse
Saad Rizvi
Lauren Taylor
Nicholas Thorne
Lindsay Ullman
Jack Vogelsang
December 17th, 2007 at 6:10 pm
it’s true about the aquarium and the water bill. my friend’s roommate is in bones and they apparently have a small whale (called “belly”, so i’m guessing a beluga) in a gigantic tank in the largest room of the tomb.
how else do you explain when the bonesmen all emerge from the tomb drenched from head to toe in water and smelling like fish?
December 17th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
it’s true about the aquarium and the water bill. my friend’s roommate is in bones and they apparently have a small whale (called “belly”, so i’m guessing a beluga) in a gigantic tank in the largest room of the tomb.
how else do you explain when the bonesmen all emerge from the tomb drenched from head to toe in water and smelling like fish?
December 17th, 2007 at 7:08 pm
you’re a little late to the game. ivygate posted the names of this year’s bones, scroll and key, and wolf’s head classes when the campuswide email got sent out last spring.
December 17th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
for a “secret” society, the fact that all this stuff gets out is pathetic. don’t they have to take a secrecy oath? that pathway to the geronimo bar is probably true-heard that from a few people. i don’t know about drinking, but one thing that is done is the tomb is weed.
December 17th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
honestly, who are these people? there are no football players or anyone from dke. sick laxers 4 eva…
December 17th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
do they still wrestle naked in mud together even though it’s co-ed?
December 17th, 2007 at 9:55 pm
you know what they do when you start asking questions about their group? they tase you, no joke.
December 17th, 2007 at 11:44 pm
http://wonkette.com/politics/secret-societies/george-bush-sr-checks-out-skull–bones-before-dying-334916.php
December 17th, 2007 at 11:50 pm
Bill Clinton: George H.W. Bush will help President Hillary
Bill Clinton said former president George H.W. Bush will help fix damage done to America’s reputation by his son, George W. Bush.
ORANGEBURG, South Carolina (CNN) – Former President Bill Clinton said Monday that the first thing his wife Hillary will do when she reaches the White House is dispatch him and his predecessor, President George H.W. Bush, on an around-the-world mission to repair the damage done to America’s reputation by the current president — Bush’s son, George W. Bush.
“Well, the first thing she intends to do, because you can do this without passing a bill, the first thing she intends to do is to send me and former President Bush and a number of other people around the world to tell them that America is open for business and cooperation again,” Clinton said in response to a question from a supporter about what his wife’s “number one priority” would be as president.
A spokesman for the George H.W. Bush was not immediately available to comment on whether the former president would chip in some diplomatic help after his son leaves office next year.
Clinton and the elder Bush, rivals in the 1992 presidential election, have grown chummy in recent years, often traveling and appearing at public events together. In 2005, they started a charity to help victims of Hurricane Katrina.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/category/george-hw-bush/
December 18th, 2007 at 3:17 am
I’d just like to call out “y09 too good for secret societies” for hiding behind a completely unclever pseuodonym. I suggest that if you have these issues with these specific peopole, you e-mail them. yale.edu/phonebook will provide the relevant information. Easy to be brave when no one knows you who are, d-bag.
December 18th, 2007 at 8:23 am
You’ve got to be kidding me-four to eight more years of the Bush family if Hillary gets elected…another reason to vote for Obama. Does anyone what Bush talked about there? Can anyone get into those passageways?
December 18th, 2007 at 10:26 am
is is legal that they have a beluga whale and human skulls of geronimo and others in there? has anyone ever looked into this?
December 18th, 2007 at 10:32 am
probably not-check this out-http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12591414/
there’s a letter saying they have the skull of geronimo
December 18th, 2007 at 10:47 am
http://www.bostonnow.com/blogs/boston911truthorg/2007/12/18/daddy-bush-makes-skull-and-bones-pilgrimage
December 18th, 2007 at 10:53 am
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307952,00.html-
he did an interview with fox news last month-part of it says this-
WALLACE: Where do you and your family — where did you get this commitment to public service?
Yale University had that ethos, and I did some extra-curricular kind of charitable stuff there, so it’s always been a part of my life, but I really believe it.
Is Skull and Bones considered “some extracurricular kind of charitable stuff?”
December 18th, 2007 at 10:58 am
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/121807_daddy_bush.htm
December 18th, 2007 at 11:19 am
They are supposed to have a “Bones whore” for the members-does anyone know about this?
“They are also introduced to “the Bones whore,” the tomb’s only full-time resident, who helps to ensure that the Bonesmen leave the tomb more mature than when they entered. “
December 18th, 2007 at 11:25 am
the bush family also helped give money to the nazis according to this-
http://www.infowars.com/print_prescott.htm
December 18th, 2007 at 11:29 am
Nader ties criticisms to Bones-
http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/11563
Published Thursday, October 7, 2004
Earlier in the evening, Nader addressed several media crews and a small gathering of students in front of the tomb of Skull and Bones. Nader read a statement expressing concern about the “unprecedented situation” in which both major presidential candidates were sworn into the same secret society.
In his speech, Nader focused on the similarities between the two major candidates. For example, he said Kerry’s and Bush’s views had converged on the war on Iraq so that “a vote for Kerry is now a vote for war.”
December 18th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
http://www.z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php
December 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
that list can’t be right-naima coster is in bones. one of those people on earlier list must not be in the group.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
do they still go to that deer island place?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
i don’t know, but they had some reunion thing at carmine’s, an italian restaurant in nyc, a while ago
December 18th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
do they hook up with each other in their building?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
sorry, y07, naima coster is not in bones.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
no apology necessary, but in fact she is-why are you so sure?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
check out april/may 2007 issue of rumpus at http://www.yale.edu/rumpus/archives/index.htm, where it listed all the bones taps-one or two other names may be wrong, but she’s definitely in it.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
is bones direct tap? is there always a whiffenpoof or musical people?
December 18th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
the rumpus list was pretty inaccurate. maybe it’s because i’m actually on campus, people talk, and everyone has figured out the real list by now? wow, it only took 7 months for you to be graduated AND out of touch!
December 18th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Will Beckford, Skulls movie-If it’s secret and elite, it can’t be good.
Senator Ames Levritt-Our rules supercede those of the outside world.
Judge Litten Mandrake-Our membership has its pleasure, its hardship, and sometimes its pain.
Caleb Mandrake-Where can I get some more of that shit?
December 18th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
i think that’s a stretch-rumpus did a really good job, actually. like i said, only a few may be off (but at most 1 or 2). who’s out of touch now?
almost definitely in bones-
Easha Anand
Mark Beyersdorf
Haruko Castro
Naima Coster
Maura Fitzgerald
Noah Hood
Sarah Kabay
Andrew Law
John Mittermeier
Crystal Paul Laughinghouse
Saad Rizvi
Lauren Taylor
Nicholas Thorne
Lindsay Ullman
Jack Vogelsang
unconfirmed-
Victor Cazares
Haitham Jendoubi
December 18th, 2007 at 2:19 pm
the rumpus list was extremely accurate. maybe it’s because “sorry, rumpus” is a huge tool, doesn’t know what they’re talking about, and everyone else knows what’s up. wow, it only took 30 seconds to write this, but a liifetime for you to be haughty AND wrong!
December 18th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber”
-Plato
December 18th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
can someone at yale or the ivy league explain how being in this group or a group like this or an oath you take to it goes above that of president of the united states of america? that’s basically what both bushes have done.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
Don’t be ridiculous. GWB (and probably GHWB as well) have done some patently unethical things, but that doesn’t mean they did them in the name of Skull and Bones, or any other organization. Heck, the post says that Bush Sr. doesn’t like Bones enough to come to most of its events–and Jr. just doesn’t like Yale much, period. Four years of C’s, drunkenness and branding DKE pledges with hangers don’t seem to have left him with many happy memories.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:41 pm
You may reconsider what you just said when you check out the clip below, a Tim Russert interview before the 2004 election-
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/448827/bush_kerry_admit_both_are_members_of_same_secret_group_skull/
They may not come to the events on campus because people would find out about it and ask them why they still belong to this group.
Fact-GWB had one of his first gatherings in the White House upon taking office with his fellow Bonesmen and appointed several in his Bones ‘68 class to positions in his administration (including Roy Austin, Victor Ashe, and Rob McCallum Jr.). He continues to be close to many of his class in the group and drew from earlier classes (Bill Donaldson ‘53, John Negroponte ‘60) for political appointments.
December 18th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
This group was founded as a WASP offshoot of a German organization for the perpetuation of the WASP elite. The societies of today seem to have become bastions of political correctness in the name of diversity. Why would minority groups even want to belong to this kind of group? Maybe it’s a feeling of prestige or having triumphed over “the Man” and making fun of the old white dudes, but don’t they realize that the founders and Establishment-type members such as Buckley would have looked down on all of them?
December 18th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
I, Jesus Christ, prayed outside of Naima’s door to keep her from joining this Satanic cult. She’s not in Bones. She stayed true to the Lord.
December 18th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
that’s all well and good, but still doesn’t change the fact that she’s in Bones. alas, the prayers were to no avail.
December 18th, 2007 at 4:13 pm
I bet most people who have posted are actually in skull and bones and they’re just making fun of the rest of us. this is probably how they get their evil little kicks.
December 18th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
i agree with “delicious suspicious.” but ill take it a step further. i think ivy gate blog and all these commentators are in on it too. what if bones infiltrated them…and they entertain themselves by watching us scratch our heads.
also. the over whelming majority of minorities in this secret organization is just another example of how AMERICA’s true citizenry has to give up our inheritance for the sake of diversity.
finally…
question. does the fact that this thing is coed mean that the “bones whore” would be a tranny? just asking. yuck yuck yuck!
December 18th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Franklin Foer talks about the whole issue of secret societies and diversity in his article, “Tomb of their Own: What’s really wrong with Skull and Bones” in the New Republic in 2000-
“Skull and Bones has democratized-but not in a very productive way. Back when the societies were proudly, offensively elitist, they had a purpose and a paternalistic sense of duty. Bones bragged that it would shape the characters of those who would shape the world. Today, the students in Skull and Bones find that kind of noblesse oblige deeply embarrasing. And, in their efforts to innoculate themselves against charges of elitism, the new elites have directed their energy to less grandiose concerns: namely, themselves. Skull and Bones, once a group for public-minded eletes, has become the exact opposite-group therapy.”
“Beginning in the late ’70s, they swung open their doors to women, gays, and minorities-people anxious to join, if only to proclaim victory over the racist patriarchy. And, once the societies were filled with people of color, white liberals had fewer qualms about joining.”
“The societies, though, have diversified in a strange way. The logical path would have been simply to honor the old, rhetorical commitment to merit-and finally let in Yale’s highest-achieving students of all races and backgrounds. But the rush to diversify wasn’t an effort to finally live out the “best and brightest” creed. It was an escape from that creed, an effort to deny that groups like Skull and Bones represented an elite at all-because, if they did, then no one could rationalize joining.”
“As a result, the dominant criterion for membership has become identity: not what you have done but who you are. Tapping next year’s class often degenerates into an elaborate quota system in which students jostle to make sure they have successors who look like them…And because students are selected as representatives of their identity groups, they have to toe the group line.”
“In fact, the old Bones standbys-the president of the student council, the editor of the Yale Daily News, the head of the Political Union-are rarely tapped by the top societies anymore. They’re considered unseemly social climbers…Bones no longer tries to break down and remake its members for leadership; today it affirms them. Talk to society members and the boast you’ll most frequently hear is that, with their groups, they have created a “safe space,” a place to feel comfortable “sharing your experience.”
“AND, IF THE OLD BONESMEN HAD A RATHER HAUGHTY VIEW OF THEIR OBLIGATION TO THE REST OF THE WORLD, AT LEAST THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT. FOR ALL THEIR IDEOLOGICAL TRENDINESS, TODAY’S SOCIETIES DON’T DO MUCH IN THE WAY OF COMMUNITY SERVICE OR POLITICAL ACTION. IN FACT, THEY RARELY LEAVE THEIR TOMBS. NOT SURPRISINGLY, OLDER ALUMNI ARE FURIOUS. EVER SINCE SKULL AND BONES WENT COED, MANY OF THE FUSTY OLD WHITE ALUMS HAVE STOPPED ATTENDING REUNIONS OR DONATING CASH. AT WOLF’S HEAD, ALUMNI ACTUALLY CONVENED A TASK FORCE THAT AIMED TO TONE DOWN THE SOCIETY’S FIXATION ON DIVERSITY AND QUASH THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT RACIAL PREFERENCES.”
“THOSE I TALKED WITH TURNED LOGICAL SOMERSAULTS TO JUSTIFY JOINING AN ORGANIZATION THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED OFFENSIVE. EVEN INSIDE THE TOMB, THEY APPROACH THE RITUALS WITH A DASH OF SELF-LOATHING. THEY MOCK THE SONGS THEY SING, CHANGING THE LYRICS. AND THEY CRACK ABOUT THE “OLD WHITE GUYS.” WHEN I ASKED A MEMBER OF THE CURRENT BONES CLASS IF HE CONSIDERED THE GROUP A COLLECTION OF YALE’S BEST AND BRIGHTEST, HE REPLIED, “I SURE HOPE NOT.”
December 18th, 2007 at 6:39 pm
what exactly is secret about this group? everyone here seems to know what has been going on there recently, people have been inside and written about what’s inside, and now people know what their initiation ritual are. Why don’t they just have an open house? They might be more popular then.
December 18th, 2007 at 6:53 pm
they could hold classes on “how to burn an american flag hanging off someone’s house and get away with it,” “how to roll a doobie,” and “how to be a tool.”
December 18th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
Victor Cazares and Lauren Taylor are definitely in.
And SKB really isn’t that big of a deal…
December 18th, 2007 at 7:34 pm
How much can anyone here say about these people when here you are bashing/judging/insulting people you don’t even know? Let’s think about who the real evil/cruel/d-bags/”tools” are. Not to mention you’re doing it anonymously and in a public forum – libel and cowardice.
December 18th, 2007 at 7:44 pm
from what i’m reading, i don’t think it’s really about these people. it’s about the idea of an organization that has a pretty awful history (founding russell family which made its money off drug-running, helping to fund the nazis, etc.) and that has put people in positions of enormous power. considering the history, this is something that people are concerned about. the fact that bush comes back to visit this kind of group, both bushes and kerry won’t talk about it, and everyone tries to let them operate in silence is WRONG.
December 18th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
are we supposed to respect a group with a history of criminal actions (drug profiting, theft of skulls and property, etc.)? how is this training for future public servants who are supposed to be of high moral standing?
December 18th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
from a legal standpoint “let’s think about this” is wrong. libel in common law would imply making a false statement about someone. you didn’t deny the factual accuracy of any of the claims. i disagree with calling exchange of ideas in a public forum cowardice-merely exercising first amendment rights. don’t you believe in the constitution? maybe not…
December 18th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
well sure if i’m wrong about the legal part then fine, but don’t you believe in morals? maybe not…
Regardless, do you know that any of this information is factual? oh, you don’t? well, then indeed. Also, attacking individuals publicly and anonymously is cowardice. If you’ve got something to say about these individuals, won’t you please name yourself as well? The problem is not the attacking of the institution; like c10 said. the problem is with attacking individuals by name with facts you don’t know to be right. morally objectionable.
December 18th, 2007 at 8:40 pm
Hmm…
All this talk about SKB and POWER is getting me riled up.
At least they’re ruling the world and being immoral instead of just resembling an episode from the View like the other no-name/tomb societies:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rzLDhrOLFkE
December 18th, 2007 at 8:44 pm
all the things people have above are probably true. since let’s think about this is obviously a member of the group, why don’t they address the claims and dispute their accuracy? btw, what did bush say to you when he stopped by? and how do you justify being in this group? the moral question seems more appropriate directed at you.
December 18th, 2007 at 8:56 pm
let’s think about this and meow both seem like members. why not start your careers as future leaders of america/the world by telling the truth about what bush said to you. what do you say to the claim that your group is no longer relevant and just generally despised? enlighten the barbarians since we’re running 5 minutes behind you anyways…
December 18th, 2007 at 9:27 pm
Do you all not realize that you are actually conspiracy theorists and that conspiracy theorists are not respectable humans at all? This is hilarious.
December 18th, 2007 at 9:28 pm
iowastate
do you not realize that you go to a state university?
December 18th, 2007 at 9:35 pm
these aren’t conspiracy theories, they are evaluations of public record. if there is nothing sinister going on, then why do bush and kerry either deny they are in the group or say they can’t talk about it? what’s the big deal about discussing it if it’s just a group of people in college? either they’re huge elitists and snobs or they hold the interests of their group above that of public office. that’s worth considering in a democracy.
December 18th, 2007 at 9:39 pm
i mean, but hey, from your perspective it may be really normal to lie in coffins, perform mock executions on other people, steal human skulls, and set the us flag on fire.
December 18th, 2007 at 10:06 pm
it’s interesting that when transparency and truth are on the agenda, let’s think about this and meow have nothing to say. those are useful concepts to become familiar with-they lead to a moral life. but you probably live more by “Ob Arm, ob Reich, im Tode gleich.”
December 18th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
seriously how can it be conspiracy when there are news stories about all this stuff, and when the society members don’t deny or confirm anything. they denied the geronimo thing, but why should we believe anyone is telling the truth. i mean except when its published. alexandra robbins did interviews and asked them all the questions and they didn’t give up anything. ya, i’m really sure all they do is talk about their lives and their hook-ups. there has to be more, cause anything done behind closed doors, like sex, has mystery for a reason.
December 18th, 2007 at 10:13 pm
Ich bin ein ehemaliges Bauteil. ich brach eine der nazi Platten und sie traten mich heraus.
December 18th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
i take german.
meow wrote, “i’m a former member. they kicked me out when i broke one of the nazi plates.”
December 18th, 2007 at 10:27 pm
“The most shocking thing,” one source reported, “and I say this because I do think it’s sort of important-I mean President Bush does belong to Skull and Bones-there is like a little Nazi shrine inside. One room on the second floor has a bunch of swastikas, kind of an SS macho Nazi iconography. Somebody should ask President Bush about the swastikas in there.”
December 18th, 2007 at 11:04 pm
so how can i get tapped so i can expose them? also i say someone e-mail the people on the list with the link to here so we can ask them questions-
December 19th, 2007 at 7:27 am
you could get to know the people in it now. since there’s nothing to hide, they could also show people around the human skulls, nazi room, coffins, and the war room on thursdays or sundays when they meet. makes sense that a president who was in a group that trivializes death wouldn’t think much about the genocide going on in darfur or do anything to stop it.
December 19th, 2007 at 8:09 am
why don’t any of these interviewers ask bush 1 or 2 about this? russert asked bush 2 and when he didn’t answer, he just let it go-what kind of interview is that? chris wallace didn’t say a word about it to bush 1. what’s wrong with these guys? do you think they know what they’re doing or just feel pressure not to ask real questions?
December 19th, 2007 at 8:37 am
isn’t it nice how diverse bones is now? look how diverse it has become-now they revel in their diversity and run around naked to celebrate diversity. that’s fantastic. they should make a flag to commemorate their overwhelming diversity and how wonderful they are and diversity is.
December 19th, 2007 at 9:03 am
story of the mighty founder of Bones, William Huntington Russell and connections to drug running-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Huntington_Russell
“William’s cousin Samuel Russell formally established Russell & Co. on January 1, 1824 for the purpose of acquiring opium and smuggling it to China. Russell & Co. merged with the number one US trader, the J. & T.H. Perkins “Boston Concern” in 1829. By the mid-1830s the opium trade had become “the largest commerce of its time in any single commodity, anywhere in the world.”
December 19th, 2007 at 9:11 am
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html-How Bush’s grandfather helped Hitler’s rise to power
“The Bush family fortune came from the Third Reich.” – John Loftus, former US Justice Department Nazi War Crimes investigator and President of the Florida Holocaust Museum as quoted in the Sarasota Herald-Tribune on November 11, 2000
December 19th, 2007 at 10:06 am
I hope for the sake of my school that most of the commenters on this post who claim to go to Yale aren’t actually students here.
I really doubt there’s a Nazi shrine in Bones, or anything else of that nature. It’s also not a group with a political agenda, maniacal or otherwise. Secret societies are a refuge of an earlier age when
December 19th, 2007 at 10:18 am
the next president will also definitely not be an ivygate reader.
and who do you think you are to talk about the “greater good” on a gossip blog about?
All commenters with sanctimonious posts: can you really talk about honesty, the greater good, morality, and merit on a fucking tabloid?
December 19th, 2007 at 10:27 am
It must be really disappointing for someone like you to have people examine the facts. Why do you feel the need to spread disinformation? The Nazi room/shrine/whatever you want to call it has been observed by people who have been inside the building and has been written about by reporters. There is a documented connection between Prescott Bush and Nazi financing, so this isn’t that far-fetched. If there is no agenda and everything they talk about is benign, why won’t Bush and Kerry just talk about it? That doesn’t make a lot of sense, now does it?
Alums of the organization, at least for the past 25 years or so, don’t seem to be rising political stars or future presidents-there’s probably are reasons for that-the group is not composed of people selected by merit anymore. What’s beyond me is that no one seems to care that the group has stolen human remains, Nazi connections, etc.
One thing you got right-the next president will not be a Bones alum, which is a great thing. If Obama is elected, there may be a genuine effort to find solutions to genocide in Darfur, global warming, and a slowing economy (even if he is an 11th cousin of Cheney or whatever). He may actually restore honor and dignity to the presidency again instead of someone who conceals their affiliations.
December 19th, 2007 at 10:40 am
that may be, but what’s the problem with discussing a serious topic on a blog? i don’t really see a problem with that, unless you like to stifle first amendment rights. where else can you talk about this? tim russert and chris wallace and everyone else who has the opportunity to ask real questions to these people is unwilling to do it. you should go watch sponge bob or cartoons or something if talking about real issues strains your mental abilities.
December 19th, 2007 at 10:48 am
if we’re going to talk about the horrible history of some old boys club at yale, how bout we talk about the horrible history of some old boys club in d.c.?
maybe if the inner workings of the presidency were a secret, then we’d have some decent critique.
December 19th, 2007 at 10:56 am
1. Are you fucking serious, guys? Skull and Bones involves a bunch of people sitting around one night a week and talking about their lives. It’s an awesome experience and the tomb rocks, but there’s nothing sinister at all.
2. Bonesmen get money – this is true.
3. It’s a dry society, which is why Bush’s daughter chose not to join.
4. It’s very tradition-conscious, so we don’t tap idiots or meatheads.
5. There are Jews in Skull and Bones. There is no Nazi iconography. Joe Lieberman was tapped, for heaven’s sake. He declined.
6. The whale… how would it have gotten there? How would everyone miss the huge trucks of food being delivered on a regular basis?
December 19th, 2007 at 10:58 am
that doesn’t logically follow. if we’re going to talk about how horrible A is, why don’t we talk about another horrible thing B? the point is that you will not confront and examine the nature of the bones organization. i think the above posts are an excellent critique. why in a liberal democracy should a candidate or elected official conceal their affiliations and loyalties to a college group? that seems dishonest.
December 19th, 2007 at 11:05 am
1. it meets twice a week.
2. if they do get money, that’s blackmail and extortion, probably not to talk about what the group does or what its purpose is
3. great, so they get wasted somewhere else.
4. tradition-conscious even though people make fun of the rituals
5. fine, so you say, but what about the prescott bush financing of nazis? maybe there is a reason why lieberman declined.
6. this may be made up, fine, but doesn’t change the fact that stolen human remains are in there and who knows what else.
December 19th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
do you pay off people at yale and in new haven to do stuff for you (like build passageways for you and guard your building)?
December 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
it seems like most of the alumni have either jumped ship or stopped giving money. a few must still be giving money to the place so new groups of yalies every year can run around naked, perform mock executions on each other, and worship human skulls-spreading the cheer.
December 19th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
that is one crazy o-face on old man bush.
December 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pm
“bar, it’s nothing personal, i just get real excited when i’m back at yale” (flash the o-face).
December 19th, 2007 at 2:12 pm
bush: “i have fond memories of being on that booty cam, all the wiggling and moving and shaking and gyrating. mory’s? i’m going to the dance party.”
December 19th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
it’s hilarious how sometime you guys say “fact”.
hahahahaha
December 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
so you consider taking geronimo (or another native american) skull from fort sill in 1918 legal? that’s graverobbing by anyone’s definition. your lawyers met with theirs, but they’re obviously still not satisfied. at least you’ve got the evil laugh down. but it seems as if “facts” and “reality” are whatever you say they are, but there are objective truths which you fail to accept and recognize.
December 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
what’s even funnier is how you can’t answer the simple questions posed to you. perhaps because the claims are both incriminating and true. maybe you’re destined for a life in politics after all since you can’t seem to answer simple questions directly.
December 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
the poor quality of responses to the claims reflects what everyone above is saying about them-intellectual lightweights.
December 19th, 2007 at 4:04 pm
this place was obviously a great training ground for his son since it taught him how to do things outside of the law.
December 19th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
has anyone found out what he talked about when he was there or if he went through those passageways?
December 19th, 2007 at 8:22 pm
it seems like someone in ysecs would know about these passageways-is anyone here in that or know someone who is that knows if these passageways exist?
December 19th, 2007 at 9:43 pm
What caused Andrew Meyer to say that? He asked a question about Bones, was pinned to the floor by police, and tased multiple times before arrested. Kerry acted like the whole thing wasn’t happening-after all, not too different from what happened at Bones when he was there.
”Don’t tase me, bro” tops list of year’s memorable quotes-By SUSAN HAIGH, Associated Press Writer
HARTFORD, Conn. – It was the plea heard round the world. “Don’t tase me, bro” _ shouted by a Florida college student removed from a speech by Sen. John Kerry _ tops this year’s list of most memorable quotes, compiled by the editor of the recently published Yale Book of Quotations.
December 19th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
here’s the video, which raises serious concerns about Bones-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
December 19th, 2007 at 11:18 pm
that’s messed up-as soon as he asked about the bones society, he got tased. we have eating clubs, but no one would get tased for asking someone about being in ivy or colony
December 19th, 2007 at 11:36 pm
naima is definitively not in bones. she turned them down. as did six other people i know. we were there when they did.
December 19th, 2007 at 11:42 pm
I TOLD YOU IT WAS Jesus.
because he was there with his omnipresence power and shit.
jesus christ can’t save darfur, he can’t end racist graffiti, or stop sensationalist minorities from wanting to install security cameras but he can sure stop crazy and stupid christians from joining a silly society. I’d like to think he has better things to do just like President Bush than worry their silly and stupid heads about what happens inside a silly society.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:44 am
leave jesus out of this!
December 20th, 2007 at 12:47 am
leave jesus out of this!
December 20th, 2007 at 12:57 am
honestly, i’m in another society and know/know of about half of the current bones class, and based on what they do on campus, none of them would have joined bones if any of these ridiculous stories were true.
other than the name and a couple famous alums, bones is no different from the other couple dozen societies at yale.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:33 am
Quill and Dagger has the last living hitherto-thought-to-be-extinct Tucan in their secret tower!
Im ur secret societeez, sposin all ur secretz.
December 20th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
so, your evidence might hold up if the individual was not seen going in and out of the tomb several times with a key by several people. unless they issue a bunch of keys to non-members, she’s probably in the society. evidence and iowastate are probably both in bones.
to yale08-no one has a beef with your society. many of them are fine organizations. bones is problematic because of its history, stolen possessions, and initiation rituals. would police tase someone if they asked a famous alumni member if they were a member of your society? i don’t think so. your other point is a good one-these might not be bad people, but their organization has a really bad history that is not something to be proud of and you should probably ask them why they are in a group like that.
December 20th, 2007 at 4:41 pm
i dont think they have keys…….i saw a blog post saying that there’s a guard at the door at all times. you have to say some secret satanic shit to be let in…..they’re too secretive to let people get in with keys….
December 20th, 2007 at 6:19 pm
i just joined this thread. is it just me or is there someone camped out on this msg board determined to have the last word on naima being in bones? you are sad. she’s not. i’ve seen her on thurs and sun evenings when the rest of them are meeting. she was tapped last year and turned it down. can we please leave her out of this?
December 20th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
http://skepdic.com/confirmbias.html
December 20th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
Confirmation bias is not applicable here. It is not a conspiracy theory when Bush and Kerry deny being in this organization (which is in the public domain). What are they hiding if it’s no big deal? It’s so secret they can’t talk about it…please. What is the evidence to the contrary of this being an organization that employs satanic death cult imagery and rituals? It is documented that human skulls, many possibly stolen, are in the building, as well as reports of a Nazi room on the 2nd floor. Confirmation bias implies there is some counter-evidence-where is yours?
December 20th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
S+B is not a big enough deal at Yale for membership to be a real secret. They ‘re all pretty ostentatious about it anyway. If you ask them they’ll tell you who’s in it. I asked, you’re right, she declined. Some of them have never even met her. The first list on this thread seems right. They’re all facebook friends with each other which seems pretty coincidental considering the different circles they usually run in. That said, it sounds like those you’re trying to convince have already made up their minds.
December 21st, 2007 at 2:57 am
for someone who thinks they’re not a big deal you seem pretty obsessed………’they’re all facebook friends with each other’
December 21st, 2007 at 8:42 am
yeah. I used to think the same way. that it wasn’t a big deal. that societies didn’t matter and were a stupid elitist thing that yale just HAD to do. it wasn’t enough that we all went to yale.
well. that’s what i thought. and it was mostly to console myself, sadly, as i’ve discovered that that shit really does matter.
and also, it doesn’t matter that that girl (?) “declined” the tap. because you can’t decline s&b. she must be in it somehow. on their lists. benefitting. maybe they sent her some publishers. maybe they’ll rescue her in the event of a nuclear holocaust when jesus christ himself couldn’t.
December 21st, 2007 at 9:45 am
You “can’t” decline S&B? Rebecca Dana ‘04 declined pretty famously.
December 22nd, 2007 at 1:48 am
You want evidence against the idea that Skull and Bones is a conspiracy? I’d like some better evidence in favor of it (besides rumor and word-of-mouth). That said, I can give you plenty of word-of-mouth evidence that S&B, like any society, is a just a group of college seniors who get together for discussion and (albeit weird/slightly silly) rituals (e.g. An old article from a student magazine that gives fairly realistic view of society life: http://www.yale.edu/lt/archives/v8n1/v8n1tombs.htm).
Maybe the reason S&B and the other societies are so secretive is that they enjoy generating the wild speculation and don’t want you to find out just how ordinary their “secrets” really are. I’ll bet that any Bonesmen and -women reading this thread are enjoying every minute of hearing people speculate wildly about Nazi conspiracies, world domination, and (apparently) live pet whales.
By the way, Bush and Kerry don’t “deny,” having been in Skull and Bones. They just don’t discuss what it entailed.
December 22nd, 2007 at 1:53 pm
no i think folk are right. bones is problematic because of its history and all the stolen shit.
if they ever offer me membership im going to turn them down. also… if the united states ever offers me membership im going to turn them down too…because of the history and all the stolen shit of course.
December 22nd, 2007 at 2:17 pm
Above two posters are probably both members of Bones. That said, why do you feel the need to be an apologist for an organization that stands for nothing positive or American? Your group was called the Brotherhood of Death. It involves use of satanic imagery, fashions itself a death cult (because of your mortality), and visions of perpetuating its power. Your founder’s money (which probably helped pay for the Tomb) came from drug-running Russell & Co. Your Tomb is filled with stolen objects and human remains, which prove your or your alumni’s blatant disregard for the law. There are eyewitness testimonies of the iconography in your Tomb-not rumor or word-of-mouth-about stolen skulls, bones, and Nazi symbols. Your “evidence” is a three paragraph summary that says nothing to disprove everything else that was said. You should hang your head in shame for being associated with this organization. You’re right-at least for 4 or 8 years, a member of your group will not hold the White House, and America will be better for it. You may think we are all barbarians and you run 5 minutes ahead of us, but in truth you are just pathetic. Get over yourselves.
December 22nd, 2007 at 2:52 pm
Hah! Me a Bonesman?
I’m a freshman. I don’t know any current or former Bonesmen. If you knew me, you’d know there’s little to no chance I’d ever be even be considered for secret society membership of any sort. See where your conspiracy-searching is leading you? By your logic, anyone who disagrees with you about the organization must be a Bonesman. You probably won’t even believe this denial.
And if you’ll re-read my post, you’ll see that I was arguing against empowering S&B by believing whispered rumors and silly conspiracy theories, not being a Skull and Bones apologist. Secret societies are created not with the aim of ruling the world but rather with the aim of making their members feel special. People like to be members of exclusive groups, and they like to keep secrets. But this works only if the outsiders CARE. If the outsiders couldn’t care less about your silly rituals, your “exclusive secret society” isn’t going to make you feel very special. That’s why I said that S&B members probably love these conspiracy theories. They make them feel special. Yes, some society rituals may well be meaningless and silly, but what prevents the members from having to confront this fact is hysteria on the part of outsiders. If you think S&B and its silly rituals matter, its members are spared from having to confront the fact that they do not.
December 22nd, 2007 at 2:56 pm
Also,
http://xkcd.com/258/
December 22nd, 2007 at 3:09 pm
ok let’s look at this. so you’re not in bones, but there have been bones members responding to this thread, so it wasn’t an unfair assumption. the truth is this-the other societies don’t have stolen human remains, nazi memorabilia, and a history of satanism, death worship, and funding nazi war effort under prescott bush, george hw bush’s father. that should bother america that the president for the past 7 years and 4 years before clinton was a member of this group and still holds loyalty to it. they ought to explain that to the country instead of saying “it’s so secret they can’t talk about it”-that’s bullshit. they hold/held the highest office in the land and can’t talk about a group they joined in college-the reason is that there is a bad history. to ignore their associations and history is to allow them to operate in the dark, which is what they want. their history should be exposed and held to public scrutiny.
December 22nd, 2007 at 5:19 pm
I agree with the above post. While it is probably true that most of what goes on in these societies involves bongs and prostitutes, and therefore is really nothing special, a president should not be allowed grey areas for which (s)he does not have to answer to. Beginning at age 18 all decisions are your own and reflect upon your character. The public has a right to this information before electing a president.
December 23rd, 2007 at 3:27 pm
tim russert goes after ron paul on this sunday’s meet the press, yet he can’t seem to ask a follow-up to george w. bush about skull and bones? why does this guy only selectively do his job?
December 24th, 2007 at 9:47 am
For the answer to some of your questions about Russert, the following clip is very informative. It’s a phone interview with Russert asking specifically about his intereviews with Bush and Kerry on Skull and Bones and other very interesting topics. Check it out-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6ucTsF6ldQ
December 24th, 2007 at 11:31 pm
he said that if they actually talked about the group in those interviews, it could have ended their candidacies right then and there.
December 25th, 2007 at 3:25 am
but don’t bones have better things to do than replying to this post? like ruling the world and performing satanic rituals, apparently.
December 25th, 2007 at 8:49 am
that used to be true-but since merit has been removed as a criterion for bones, they have a lot of time on their hands to check out posting boards.
December 26th, 2007 at 12:36 am
Scroll and Key is more respected on campus, since they still (seem to) tap based on (at least some) merit. Bones, on the other hand, have lately turned into an ethnic fiesta of sorts due to its preference for tapping based on extracurricular leadership.
December 26th, 2007 at 2:58 am
Scroll and Key is also recognized for having all the campus tools within its doors….
December 26th, 2007 at 5:14 am
@above: yeah, fair point… i’d say it’s 50/50. some kids in there are actually pretty nice, but about half is unimaginably toolish.
January 5th, 2008 at 9:48 am
It isn’t crap. At a time when Yale was overwhelmingly very rich, inbred, elitist WASPs (where did they all go?), from the same schools, families, etc. who were already going somewhere it was another thing. They tapped the achievers among a group already destined for great things. Obviously a lot has changed. Sure there will be some successful people but they are at Yale now so chances are… Anyway, no selectivity, no uniformity and no process that improves the individuals (starts senior year)- functionally it is a relic. Take your conspiracy searches to more fertile ground.
January 10th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
do the “brothers in death” worship the skulls and bones inside their Tomb? why glorify death?
January 11th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
here’s a video of their initiation caught on tape-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGqAGuw23CM&
now that’s messed up…
January 14th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
no wonder the people who come out of this society aren’t that bright…the audio of their initiation says “the devil equals death, death equals death”-they can’t even do math right
January 15th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
why would anyone want to be abused like this? just for connections? that’s pretty sad.
January 16th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
there’s also a lot of nakedness and wrestling in mud and various activities while naked in coffins. that must be the kind of stuff that keeps people interested!
January 16th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
they brand new members with hot iron pokers with their symbol
January 25th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Naima Coster of Skull and Bones is outraged today about the Zeta Psi incident. Does any aspect of Bones rituals or The Brotherhood of Death cause similar outrage?
http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/23135
January 25th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
are you saying someone in skull and bones is mad about the zeta psi sign? they say a lot worse to them to get in.
January 26th, 2008 at 12:10 am
for the last time. i am deadly 100 percent certain that NAIMA COSTER IS NOT IN BONES. jesus. clear this shit out.
January 26th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Naima Coster Yale is in Skull and Bones. She is on all the lists and people here say they know she goes in there. Just admit it.
January 26th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
yours in 322
February 5th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
LOL. No, I’m not. But it’s pretty clear who “To Kitty Says” is…
February 6th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Naima is DEFINITELY NOT in Skull and Bones. She rejected them. Good for her!
February 6th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
It’s true. I know Naima and she told me she rejected Skull and Bones. She was their last choice, and after she said no, they went to Cazares.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:40 am
What else have you found out? What sort of Kerry fundraiser-was it a reunion?
February 16th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
I saw someone go into the building and they had their face real close to the door. I bet it’s a retinal scan.
February 18th, 2008 at 1:05 am
There’s no retinal scan, but there is a code.
March 5th, 2008 at 12:25 am
also, low-life hypocrites aren’t usually building women’s centers in the dominican republic, working with prostitutes in South Korea, and volunteering for the Public Defender’s office every summer (sarah kabay, mark ro, easha anand)…no one who ACTUALLY knows most of these people has anything but great things to say about them.
March 5th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
y08 defending these creeps is clearly victor cazares himself
April 9th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
There’s a keypad on the outside inside a lockbox… you need a physical key to open the box and access the pad… that opens into an entryway, which has yet another keypad with what I’m assuming is a different code. Hot shit.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:30 am
“Maybe it’s a feeling of prestige or having triumphed over “the Man” and making fun of the old white dudes, but don’t they realize that the founders and Establishment-type members such as Buckley would have looked down on all of them?”
Exactly the reason no minorities should even consider attending any of the Ivies!
July 25th, 2009 at 9:39 am
The list can change over the course of the year, but I have see Jose Abreu and Joe Garibaldi going into the tomb.
July 25th, 2009 at 9:42 am
I have definitely seen Jose Abreu going into the tomb.