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Cornell Blogger: Enough of This Hippity Hop Balderdash
Posted By Jim Newell On August 8, 2007 @ 5:01 pm In Uncategorized | 42 Comments
At least one Cornell student has had his share of angry black people and their musics. In response to rapper T.I.’s behavior at the school’s Slope Day ’07, Cornell Daily Sun blogger Jared Kraminitz reasons that an entire genre should be avoided in selecting Slope Day ’08′s performers:
Rap is out, I think, for fairly obvious reasons. For one, the biggest names (Jigga, ‘Ye, Fiddy – can you tell I’m down with the street?) are pricey. Also, much as I love a little Biggie bumpin’ in the car, live concerts aren’t conducive to rap; the music overwhelms the vocals and then there’s the risk you’ll be verbally abused by the artist or be forced to listen to the sounds of fake gunshots for five minutes.
Tell it like it is, Jared! On top of that, who knows which rapper is even performing when all of those people look the same?
Kraminitz suggests Cornell needs “a group that can manage to play loud but still sound good… something that rocks.” Only one band matches his specific criterium, indie rockers the Hold Steady. Kraminitz praises them for their “rough-and-tumble, Bruce Springsteen-on-steroids sound.”
I’ve seen both the Hold Steady and “‘Ye” live and the former was much, much more dangerous. A lot of beer, a lot of white trash. I’d much rather take the Hold Steady “bumpin’ in my car” and the cruel underworld of major corporate CEO “Jigga” in concert. I wouldn’t throw water bottles at either.
–JIM NEWELL
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42 Comments To "Cornell Blogger: Enough of This Hippity Hop Balderdash"
#1 Comment By Jared Kraminitz On August 9, 2007 @ 2:00 am
This is what happens when you blog in relative obscurity, you sometimes write more carelessly than you should.
It seems like some clarification is needed: First, I love rap. What I was trying to express — however clumsily — was that since my favorite rappers aren’t an option for Slope Day (they’ve either performed at Cornell already or are otherwise occupied) I would prefer to see another of my favorite artists from a different genre perform (which led me to the Hold Steady).
While I did write that rap doesn’t translate well to live shows it was a stupid, careless generalization to make and one that my own concert-going experience contradicts.
As for the gunshot line, what I ought to have made clear was that it was not meant as a dismissal of hip-hop as a genre and certainly not aimed at any specific rappers (other than T.I.).
So let’s run through this, just to be safe: I love rap, I’m not a racist, I do think T.I.’s Slope Day performance was an embarrassment and I’d love to see the Hold Steady for Slope Day. Thanks for playing.
Also, I don’t think criterium means what you think it does. Just a heads up.
#2 Comment By Jared Kraminitz On August 8, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
This is what happens when you blog in relative obscurity, you sometimes write more carelessly than you should.
It seems like some clarification is needed: First, I love rap. What I was trying to express — however clumsily — was that since my favorite rappers aren’t an option for Slope Day (they’ve either performed at Cornell already or are otherwise occupied) I would prefer to see another of my favorite artists from a different genre perform (which led me to the Hold Steady).
While I did write that rap doesn’t translate well to live shows it was a stupid, careless generalization to make and one that my own concert-going experience contradicts.
As for the gunshot line, what I ought to have made clear was that it was not meant as a dismissal of hip-hop as a genre and certainly not aimed at any specific rappers (other than T.I.).
So let’s run through this, just to be safe: I love rap, I’m not a racist, I do think T.I.’s Slope Day performance was an embarrassment and I’d love to see the Hold Steady for Slope Day. Thanks for playing.
Also, I don’t think criterium means what you think it does. Just a heads up.
#3 Comment By Jared Kraminitz On August 9, 2007 @ 2:02 am
Actually, there I go again, running off my mouth. It means
a bicycle race of a specified number of laps on a closed course over public roads closed to normal traffic AND criterion. Boy is my face red.
#4 Comment By Jared Kraminitz On August 8, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
Actually, there I go again, running off my mouth. It means
a bicycle race of a specified number of laps on a closed course over public roads closed to normal traffic AND criterion. Boy is my face red.
#5 Comment By Lynah Faithful On August 9, 2007 @ 2:15 am
Jared and Jim: Shame on you both. The word Jim should have used was ‘criteria’ — because there were multiple restrictions on who should be performing at Slope Day. The Ivy League needs to resurrect the Latin and Greek prerequisite for applying.
#6 Comment By Lynah Faithful On August 8, 2007 @ 10:15 pm
Jared and Jim: Shame on you both. The word Jim should have used was ‘criteria’ — because there were multiple restrictions on who should be performing at Slope Day. The Ivy League needs to resurrect the Latin and Greek prerequisite for applying.
#7 Comment By jim newell On August 9, 2007 @ 2:21 am
Jared: you seem nice. everyone read jared’s blog! he’s nice. i think “criterium” is one of those words people so often misuse that it becomes a synonym for “criterion.”
Lynah: yeah, i thought about that, but decided it was one big criter(ium)(ion) rather than several small similar ones.
grammar rules
#8 Comment By jim newell On August 8, 2007 @ 10:21 pm
Jared: you seem nice. everyone read jared’s blog! he’s nice. i think “criterium” is one of those words people so often misuse that it becomes a synonym for “criterion.”
Lynah: yeah, i thought about that, but decided it was one big criter(ium)(ion) rather than several small similar ones.
grammar rules
#9 Comment By CrunkAtCornell On August 9, 2007 @ 2:28 am
T.I is the shit, dude!
#10 Comment By CrunkAtCornell On August 8, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
T.I is the shit, dude!
#11 Comment By adcornell On August 9, 2007 @ 2:58 am
leave it to people from Cornell to like rap music anyways… no wonder we’re the shittiest ivy.
#12 Comment By adcornell On August 8, 2007 @ 10:58 pm
leave it to people from Cornell to like rap music anyways… no wonder we’re the shittiest ivy.
#13 Comment By CrunkAtCornell On August 9, 2007 @ 3:53 am
Penn is the shittiest!
#14 Comment By CrunkAtCornell On August 8, 2007 @ 11:53 pm
Penn is the shittiest!
#15 Comment By Nick On August 9, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
A bit ridiculous, but I will say Hold Steady was great live at Columbia last fall.
#16 Comment By Nick On August 9, 2007 @ 8:52 am
A bit ridiculous, but I will say Hold Steady was great live at Columbia last fall.
#17 Comment By blah On August 9, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
“had his share” or “had his fill”?
#18 Comment By blah On August 9, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
“had his share” or “had his fill”?
#19 Comment By Lynah Faithful On August 9, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
@blah: Good call. It seems our guest editors are not yet ready to graduate; they need a little more education.
@CrunkAtCornell: If both TI and Penn are shit, what’s the difference? One of them made it out of the ‘hood!
#20 Comment By Lynah Faithful On August 9, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
@blah: Good call. It seems our guest editors are not yet ready to graduate; they need a little more education.
@CrunkAtCornell: If both TI and Penn are shit, what’s the difference? One of them made it out of the ‘hood!
#21 Comment By derp On August 9, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
@Lynah: rinse sand out of vagina, post haste.
#22 Comment By derp On August 9, 2007 @ 9:24 pm
@Lynah: rinse sand out of vagina, post haste.
#23 Comment By CrunkAtCornell On August 9, 2007 @ 10:31 pm
TI sux but TIP is the man!
#24 Comment By CrunkAtCornell On August 9, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
TI sux but TIP is the man!
#25 Comment By qb On August 10, 2007 @ 12:38 am
Journey for Slope Day!!
#26 Comment By qb On August 9, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
Journey for Slope Day!!
#27 Comment By big rad On August 11, 2007 @ 12:10 am
i second journey for slope day!
i think there have been rappers 3 years running, not really fair
when was the last time we had a country singer come to play?
i thought college was about diversity
#28 Comment By big rad On August 10, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
i second journey for slope day!
i think there have been rappers 3 years running, not really fair
when was the last time we had a country singer come to play?
i thought college was about diversity
#29 Comment By CU’07 On August 12, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
1) There have not been rappers 3 years running — two years ago, the performer was Ben Folds.
2) TI went off for five minutes at a time with a barrage of gunshot sound effects. It was a truly awful performance. I may not be a fan of rap, but I still know a hack performer from working for years on the Concert Commission. Musicians should play music, not waste our time with repetitive sound effects. Leave that to techno people.
Kanye West was probably the least professional rapper I’ve ever seen. At Slope Day ’04 when he showed up an hour late for his set little dazed and claiming that he could not find Slope Day. Right.
#30 Comment By CU’07 On August 12, 2007 @ 9:36 am
1) There have not been rappers 3 years running — two years ago, the performer was Ben Folds.
2) TI went off for five minutes at a time with a barrage of gunshot sound effects. It was a truly awful performance. I may not be a fan of rap, but I still know a hack performer from working for years on the Concert Commission. Musicians should play music, not waste our time with repetitive sound effects. Leave that to techno people.
Kanye West was probably the least professional rapper I’ve ever seen. At Slope Day ’04 when he showed up an hour late for his set little dazed and claiming that he could not find Slope Day. Right.
#31 Comment By H ’07 On August 13, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
If Cornell is not the shittiest Ivy, then why does it have the highest student suicide rate in the league?
#32 Comment By H ’07 On August 13, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
If Cornell is not the shittiest Ivy, then why does it have the highest student suicide rate in the league?
#33 Comment By @H’07 On August 13, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
A number of sources (including a 2001 article in the Boston Globe) indicate that Harvard has the highest suicide rate in the Ivy League. I guess the reality of Cambridge Community College is a downer.
#34 Comment By @H’07 On August 13, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
A number of sources (including a 2001 article in the Boston Globe) indicate that Harvard has the highest suicide rate in the Ivy League. I guess the reality of Cambridge Community College is a downer.
#35 Comment By @h’07 On August 14, 2007 @ 1:08 am
The gorges make stuff dramatic, man. Everyone has to know by now that the Cornell suicide rate thing isn’t actually true — I think CU’s rate is actually below average, and Harvard/MIT are the highest — so my theory is that the gorges just add lore. The thing is that if people do die, the gorges are a dramatic way of doing it, often leading to weeks of prolonged searching for a missing student before the tragic find floating somewhere upstream. At NYU or Chicago they just jump off a building. There’s a lot less… I dunno, buildup? suspense? That’s just my theory.
#36 Comment By @h’07 On August 13, 2007 @ 9:08 pm
The gorges make stuff dramatic, man. Everyone has to know by now that the Cornell suicide rate thing isn’t actually true — I think CU’s rate is actually below average, and Harvard/MIT are the highest — so my theory is that the gorges just add lore. The thing is that if people do die, the gorges are a dramatic way of doing it, often leading to weeks of prolonged searching for a missing student before the tragic find floating somewhere upstream. At NYU or Chicago they just jump off a building. There’s a lot less… I dunno, buildup? suspense? That’s just my theory.
#37 Comment By ugh On August 14, 2007 @ 2:16 am
someone has to print a news story on suicide so that people get it right and the cornell myths stop… it’s just wrong stats, and the fact that even ivy leaguers think it’s true make me wonder if this is what the world thinks.. i hope someone does a real survey and put it on the front page of the nytimes or something so that we can rest in peace.
Oh dear, poor choice of words… so that we can move on.
Hmm, still hints at some kind of lame pun.
Anyway, you get what I mean.
#38 Comment By ugh On August 13, 2007 @ 10:16 pm
someone has to print a news story on suicide so that people get it right and the cornell myths stop… it’s just wrong stats, and the fact that even ivy leaguers think it’s true make me wonder if this is what the world thinks.. i hope someone does a real survey and put it on the front page of the nytimes or something so that we can rest in peace.
Oh dear, poor choice of words… so that we can move on.
Hmm, still hints at some kind of lame pun.
Anyway, you get what I mean.
#39 Comment By CU’07 On September 7, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
I think Cornell’s suicide rate is the highest because of all the Asians… they’re somewhat testy.
#40 Comment By CU’07 On September 7, 2007 @ 11:10 am
I think Cornell’s suicide rate is the highest because of all the Asians… they’re somewhat testy.
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